HK 7300 or Pioneer 9300

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CUBE

Audioholic Intern
I currently have the Onkyo NR801 which sounds pretty good, but I have the upgrade bug:) . The HK 7300 is on sale at onecall.com for 899.88+ shipping or the Pioneer 9300 for 500 shipped. I want a cleaner sound and more power:D . thanks alot
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
CUBE said:
I currently have the Onkyo NR801 which sounds pretty good, but I have the upgrade bug:) . The HK 7300 is on sale at onecall.com for 899.88+ shipping or the Pioneer 9300 for 500 shipped. I want a cleaner sound and more power:D . thanks alot
A guy over at AVS said he's owned both (just read it today), and he said his Pioneer (Elite 56 - same unit) sounded better with his Paradigms. I think he prefers music with a little more high end, as opposed to soft or flat. What are some sound characteristics of your Phase Techs? What music do you listen to? Your 801 is a pretty capable unit, but I think either of those choices are definitely an upgrade.
 
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dponeill

Junior Audioholic
I've had a 9300 for about a year now and have been very pleased with it. There are 2 differences between it and the Elite 56TXi. First, this is the only functional difference, it does not have iLink. Second, the door on the front of the 56TXi is solid aluminum and on the 9300 it is plastic with an aluminum skin. Other than those two things, they are the same.

I just sent back a HK AVR-635 that I was going to replace the Pioneer with. There were several reasons that I decided to keep the Pioneer. The main reason was the EQ. I think that the Pioneer Advanced MCAAC does a very good job of cleaning up room acoustics. The results were not so good with the Harmon. This may not be an issue for you as you are considering the 7300 which has no EQ. The other is a problem that HK receivers have had for a long time. They all seem to be a little slow to lock onto the digital signal being input. This can result in loosing the sound for a second when skipping track on a CD or media player or when the bitstream changes endoding lake when a commercial is in stereo and p program is in DD. I sold an AVR-7200 a couple of years ago because it was very bad at this. The 7300 is a lot like the 7200 so it might have this issue too.
 
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CUBE

Audioholic Intern
Buckeye and dponeill, thank you for your quick response. I've heard of some people having problems with the HK's. The Phase Tech's have a solid high end(smooth and not really bright), mid is accurate until you really get them going. Will the Pioneer clean up the sq and have more power than the Onk to justify me putting out 500.00? Also, I'm upgrading my sub to maybe the Hsu sub VTF3-MK2. thanks again.
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
I think you'll be thrilled with the new Pioneer. My long time buddie (have known him since 3rd grade - we're 36) just upgraded his older Denon 2803 (similar to the new 2807) to a Pioneer Elite 74. He said it's a night and day difference. He said the Pioneer is so clear and precise. He also said it doesn't overheat like his Denon did while throwing parties - he still gets pretty crazy in his old age. I'm pretty sure the 74, 56, and 9300 are all very similar, other than the 74 weighing a bit less. He did compare the 74 to the Denon 3806, and preferred the Pioneer - even being a Denon guy for a long time. He also looked closely at Rotel, but decided against them because of the lack of technology and some friends having qc issues. Plus, they were quite a bit more expensive.
 
Thunder18

Thunder18

Senior Audioholic
Both the 9300TX that I had previously and the 56TXi have very robust power supplies and power reserves. Their power supplies weigh about 15, which you'll notice the first time you pick it up because it's all on the left side of the receiver(if I'm not mistaken). Also, aside from the Audyssey set-up on the Denon 5305 that makes you place the mic in several different areas in the room, I think you'll find that Pioneer's MCACC is about the most precise auto set-up you can find at this point in time.

Besides, it's tuned by AIR studios. Now those guys know what sound it suppossed to sound like. Do a google search for AIR studios if you don't know who they are, but they were set up in the 70's by Sir George Martin, the Beatles producer, but they also do production work for many artists and movie studios.

It just has a great feature set and it's worth at least twice what it's going for on Ubid. At $500, you're almost stealing it. I feel no hesitation at all when I say that there is nothing else comparable that you can get right now for $500 NEW that will have the versatility and power that receiver has. Also, I know some people don't care, but it is THX certified which means different things to different people. In this case, it means that it passed a certain set of fairly stringent parameters for power, output and quality. George Lucas is not fool. He wouldn't release episodes 1,2 and 3 to theaters that didn't have digital projectors initially because he was that concerned with the quality of the finished product. This merely makes sure you get a consistant experience from movie to movie.
 
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mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
CUBE said:
I currently have the Onkyo NR801 which sounds pretty good, but I have the upgrade bug:) . The HK 7300 is on sale at onecall.com for 899.88+ shipping or the Pioneer 9300 for 500 shipped. I want a cleaner sound and more power:D . thanks alot
What are you missing from your current setup? That itch may be an expensive cure for a non ailment.:D
 
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CUBE

Audioholic Intern
mtrycrafts said:
What are you missing from your current setup? That itch may be an expensive cure for a non ailment.:D
I think you are correct, maybe I'll just upgrade my sub and be happy. My wife loves music and the feeling of being at the movies but she said, will this make your system sound 500.00 better. She said that I maybe should do the sub and it may make a big difference. She thinks that if the system has a weakness that it would be the impact of a strong sub. So, I think I will be in the market for the HSU-VTF3-MK2. Thanks again.
 
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marky

Junior Audioholic
if you are satisfy with the features of your onkyos, then I would opt for a new amp instead of a new receiver.
 
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CUBE

Audioholic Intern
marky said:
if you are satisfy with the features of your onkyos, then I would opt for a new amp instead of a new receiver.
What do you recommend? thanks
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Looking at the 801's impressive spec I can't see how you can expect noticeable improvement by upgrading to a HK7300, other than a little tighter bass. Adding a 2/3 ch amp may be a better option but such solution would likely exceed your 500 budget. The Earthquake Cinenova 3 should satisfy your itch for more clean power for a long time whether you need it or not. The specs of that amp is ridiculously unreal. tdeluce posted a link before to some equally ridiculous (low) price for the Eathquake, but I thought it was still well over 1K.
 
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marky

Junior Audioholic
for your budget, I would look at outlaw amps. there are others, but they are out of your range.
 
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dponeill

Junior Audioholic
Don't under estimate the value of room correction. Unless you are currenty seriously underpowered, it can be a very noticeable improvement compared to a new amp.

Also, if you decide that more power is what you want, the amp section of the AVR-7300 is MUCH more robust than your Onkyo. Thats why it weighs about 20 lb more.
 
WndrBr3d

WndrBr3d

Full Audioholic
Being an AVR7300 owner myself, I can vouch for this units power.

I don’t have the most high end speakers in the world (Infinity Interludes all around), but this receiver delivers the goods as far as raw power to drive the speakers. All too often the people who live above me have to stomp on the floor because i'm rocking the entier building. ;)

My only issue with the AVR7300 is it's video offering. No HDMI/DVI and it's analog upsampling is only to 480p (using the FLI-2300, but still). Even with the upsampling, I was able to get a better video sample/deinterlacing from my components than the 7300. The 7300 was HK's first entry into video upsampling, so I can understand if the implementation was a bit.. rough around the edges.

Otherwise I'm very pleased with it's audio performance and features in general.

While using the 7300, I've been able to decide that my next receiver will not need as much power and I'll be willing to trade amp power for video features. But it differs from person to person :)
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
CUBE said:
I think you are correct, maybe I'll just upgrade my sub and be happy. My wife loves music and the feeling of being at the movies but she said, will this make your system sound 500.00 better. She said that I maybe should do the sub and it may make a big difference. She thinks that if the system has a weakness that it would be the impact of a strong sub. So, I think I will be in the market for the HSU-VTF3-MK2. Thanks again.

I think your wife has the deficiency nailed!:D
Get the most sub for what you were willing to spend on that other plan:)
And, as was suggested, room acoustics may need another look or a closer look.

Also, don't forget to properly level match the system.
 

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