Hey - typical noob question - which sub?

KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Hi,
What a great forum. I am lucky to have stumbled across this forum in my efforts to research a subwoofer purchase. I have spent the last several days (off and on) reading posts, but am having a tough time divining some of the terminology and lack the familiarity with the model numbers to know what manufacturer makes it (so I can check the pricing). I am hoping to short cut some of this learning curve by asking outright for recommendations.

Quick orientation - I am an old stereo buff who had to pack away my serious equipment when I relocated. I just pulled them out of storage and age or lack of use has taken a toil. I recently started looking for upgrades to get my overall system up to par. I have two stereo systems; for speakers, I have a pair of Acoustic Research 3a's (which are going to the shop for new surrounds and L-pads) and a pair of Bose 901's (which are newer and fine). I know many consider the 901's a cheap gimmick speaker, but I really do like the spatial characteristics and presence created by the direct/reflected sound. While not terrible, the Bose definitely do not have the bass I would like. So, I am looking for a subwoofer to complement these speakers.
Initially, I was looking at the big box/amazon type offerings, doing the bargain hunting thing. I was ready to choose between a Polk PWS505 ($250)
12" BIC ($200), or Infinity PS212 ($350). But then I came across the
"Official Craigsub rankings" thread and the Home theater Hi-Fi Subwoofer Review Archives and started wondering if among all of these models of subwoofers there might be better options.
I was ready to pull the trigger on a AV123 MFW-15 which craigsub rated so highly (especially for the price). However, I had pause when I saw the >25% cost added for shipping, and went back for more justification to spend the extra jack. I notice that the AV123 MFW-15 is not being recommended much in recent threads, so I'm wondering if something better has come along?

Application - Exclusively for music, so I don't really care about infrasonic performance. For the money, I'd rather have tight sound in the audible frequencies without things getting jumbled up because my sub is reproducing 16Hz artifacts in the recording (or turntable rumble - yes, I'm that old).
Ideally the sub would employ a filter to prevent infrasonic effort.
I don't want to rattle the windows. I like the sound to fill the room, but most of my friends turn the music louder for listening. When I'm not dedicated 100% to the sound experience, I will be listening at a much reduced level, so I need a sub which can do its job reasonable well at lower volumes. I'll be pairing the sub with "full range" speakers (Bose 901's).
I'm not sure which room this will be in, but the largest is 24X17@11.5 ft. high.

Budget - What a tough question. I know that there is always an incrementally better product at an incrementally higher cost. Ideally, I'd like to keep it under $500, and under $350 would be great! I'm ignorant of subwoofer offerings, but know that with most products there are usually a few select products which kind of set the standard for their price point. If this is true of subwoofers, then I would use the gaps between these models to figure out where to set my budget.

Time/skill - I woodwork and could build a sub box. However, I'm not sure it is practical in my price range. If there is an outstanding ready-to-build design or kit available, it is worth considering.

Sorry for the ramble, but I wanted to cover all of the bases I can think of.
All recommendations, thoughts, and comments are welcome.
Thanks,
Kurt
 
Chopin_Guy

Chopin_Guy

Senior Audioholic
I would worry about getting rid of those BOSE speakers before you even begin to think about a sub. However, if that is not an option -- I would definitely keep your price range in the the $500 ball-park minimum for good performance. With that you have some choices....SVS, HSU, and a DIY project...

Just the other day SVS had a new PB-12NSD on their B-stock page for $519...that would be a great choice if it is still there. I would stay away from Polk subs all together and if you want a DIY kit look at the Dayton kits through PartExpress. Nonetheless, you may want to think about better mains as they are the core of any system...
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
CG,
Thanks for your suggestions.

I don't want to get too far OT, but I've admittedly been living in the past (re: audio electronics). I should give modern speakers fair ear time.
I go back a long way with the 901's. When I decided to buy them, there was no such thing as a Bose store, Bose speakers were in the Hi-Fi store alongside the rest of the speakers. I made A-B comparisons and reached the subjective conclusion that I liked the 901's enough to buy them instead of something else.
I have attempted to compare current speakers, but have yet to find a reasonable venue for this. So far, what I have found in the Atlanta area is Best Buy/Fry's operations where the speakers are out on an incredibly noisy floor so you can't hear any detail; or audiophile shops where they have a great listening room, but only carry a precious few models of speakers.
Does anyone know of a good place in Atlanta to listen to & choose speakers?
TIA
 
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bigvag

Audioholic Intern
I just picked up a used velodyne spl 1000 and for a small foot print sub this thing sound amazing. If your doing a diy sub there is a program you can download for free (cant think of the name right now) that you put all of your sub peramiters in and it tells you the size of the box and port size. If I remember and no one else chimes in I post it.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I would worry about getting rid of those BOSE speakers before you even begin to think about a sub. However, if that is not an option -- I would definitely keep your price range in the the $500 ball-park minimum for good performance. With that you have some choices....SVS, HSU, and a DIY project...

Just the other day SVS had a new PB-12NSD on their B-stock page for $519...that would be a great choice if it is still there. I would stay away from Polk subs all together and if you want a DIY kit look at the Dayton kits through PartExpress. Nonetheless, you may want to think about better mains as they are the core of any system...
Just as an FYI the 901s are supposed to be the only thing decent bose has made. Don't quote me on that as I want nothing to do with them, but

for music get a nice velodyne sub IMO. Look for something that's maybe a 10inch.

SVS is more a theater sub IMO. You want to look for high SQ. The Infinity may have that if it uses a low distortion driver. If you want a good DIY solution your best bet is to seal a JL Audio 8w7.

But if you want a lower cost solution sealing a shiva-x would work.

deep surplus even sells a box with an amp cutout and a driver cutout. You'll only need to dampen it with rockwool, brace it and add the driver and amp.

I do suggest you look at audiogon for deals though.
 
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djsmc715

Audiophyte
Help

Hey this is for annyone that can help me out a little im new a the home theater system,and i have a onkyo receiver tx-sr805 i wanna know which subwoofer is good know i do like a lot of bass does anny one know wether a Velodyne cht 12 or a velodyne dps 10 is better which sub is going to give me the best quality which is going to blow the house down.
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
FWIW, the Bose 901 were well regarded in their time.

For a DIY kit you might want to look at this one from CSS One would be fine in a small room, but you would need two for a room the size you mentioned. If you are willing to do a little work to put together your own cut list, you could just go with the drivers from the kit and pair them with a Behringer A500 amp to get the price down.

That PR kit makes for a very compact sub though.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Hi KEW,

I will personally choose the SVS SB12-Plus in a situation like yours
It's a sealed (closed enclosure) subwoofer, with better roll off (natural) in the lows, and a bit more accurate in overall performance for Music listening.

Bob
 
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Robof83

Audioholic
I agree with LOTR. If you're primary concern is SQ look into the sealed designs of some of the sub companies mentioned here. HSU has a very large selection of sealed subs.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
The SVS SB12 is well over his budget.

HSU only has one sealed sub, the ULS-15, and it is double the price of the SB12. It's a hell of a sub, though.

The OP will have a hell of a hard time finding a good sealed sub for under $500 unless he goes the DIY route.

There are other great subs for music in his budget though, Outlaw Audio has one, and HSU has a few. BIC America might have a couple.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I didn't want to leave the impression that this sub is sold - I did not close the deal on this.
The seller has no history and wants a money order. However, it looks like a sweet deal if you live near Glenville, Ill.
Cheers!
 
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