Help with standing wave problem

brad1138

brad1138

Audioholic
Below is a graph of bass response in my room from the listening position. As you can see my M3SIs have a HUGE dip at 55Hz which is caused by the room. The room is about 21' x 25' with carpeted floors. The stereo is on the 21' wall. I know it is the room causing the dip because in most of it the bass is great, just at the center, where I sit, does it dip.

What can I do to eliminate that dip? Utelizing the subs doesn't work well because it is a drop in the quality of the bass, muddy by comparison. I also cant significantly move the spks or change the listening pos.

Any Ideas?

Thanks,
Brad

 
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yepimonfire

Audioholic Samurai
the dip is most likely caused by cancellation from the subs original wave colliding with the reflection of the back wall, using some low frequency absorbing foam in the corners will solve this issue most likely, or atleast reduce it.
 
brad1138

brad1138

Audioholic
the dip is most likely caused by cancellation from the subs original wave colliding with the reflection of the back wall, using some low frequency absorbing foam in the corners will solve this issue most likely, or atleast reduce it.
Actually each spk/sub was measured independently. The Velo has a fairly flat response. I figured the dip in the M3s was cancellation as you said, and it seams to be a left/right thing, the dip is in between them. It is almost as if they are out of phase, but they aren't. It is actually kind of a hole right in the middle of the room. It is to bad the velo isn't as tight as the M3s, it's flat response would be nice.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Why aren't you using the high pass crossover on these, if you plan to use a sub? The Mirage are the only ones that have this peak/dip and the others have a rise in the same region. This is a placement issue. Also, the length and width dimensions are so similar that you'll have a hard time with some frequencies.
 
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yepimonfire

Audioholic Samurai
well firstly, i doubt the sub has loose bass, its probably another issue caused by standing waves the 50hz dip on the mirage could be a number of things, placing the close to the side walls could cause cancellation because most walls resonate at 50-60hz alot, try placing the speakers closer to the middle point of the wall behind them then measure again, considering the dip only happens in the center of the room im willing to bet its a cancellation caused by the standing wave coming off of the back wall colliding with the 50-60hz wave of the speaker, as i said before you may be able to solve this issue by placing corner foam bass traps across the back walls corners and ceiling conjunctures. in the meantime what you could do is move your listening position a couple feet closer to the speakers because this will get you out of the cancellation zone. and keep your speakers AWAY from the side walls, every room i have ever been in putting speakers near the side walls has always caused bass issues since bass tends to spread out all over the place and not be directional like mids and treble. apparently you have a way to measure frequency levels, my advice to you is that you track down the problem and eliminate it with bas traps, heres what you should do, play a 55hz sine wave and measure it directly in the center of the room, now measure it a few feet from the back wall, now measure it 1m from your speakers, if it is a cancellation issue you will notice how the level of the 55hz wave goes HIGHER towards the back of the room because the back wall will be a natural source of amplification. what are the dimensions of the room and could you post a pic of it?
 
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bpape

Audioholic Chief
If you're sitting in the middle of one of the room dimensions, you're going to have a dip at the midpoint no matter what you do. Sitting exactly centered isn't a good idea.

I would agree on the high pass filter so that the sub is the only thing reproducing those frequencies so there is no cancellation and the sub can be moved for best response without impacting the imaging/response of the mains - in addition to taking a lot of load off of them and the amp driving them.

Bryan
 
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