Help With Design/Layout & Equipment Selection

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colfaxkarl

Audiophyte
I am building a new home and get to put in a home theater. I have read these threads with great interest, but now realize how little I know! The room is dedicated to HT, 13' X 22' with 10' ceilings. The room is a regular rectangle, except the short wall opposite the screen goes back another 3' (to a total depth of 25') for a center portion of that wall.

The only equipment that has been selected is (are) Speakercraft Starlet speakers (I have 2 pairs of Starlet 6's and 2 pairs of 4's). If these speakers are not suitable I can use them elsewhere in the house.

The house will also have distributed audio with a fairly robust structured home system.

Thanks in advance for any help you folks can give me.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Well now, here is where things get interesting.

Your theater offers you a lot of choices but probably the first should be what type of display you are looking to do. IMHO front projection defines a home theater. 50 or 60 inch displays are nice, but the impact of a 100"+ screen is still something that blows you, and all your neighbors away. But, it totally affects how you will need to wire the room.

Lots of people will chime in on speaker and A/V equipment choices. All I can say is that if you want the house to be family friendly, instead of just YOU friendly, you may want to consider a control system like Crestron or AMX. Some people think it is overkill, but some people don't like their wives or kids touching any equipment or knowing how to use it (MINE! Syndrome).

A control system allows every family member in your house to be able to operate the equipment and also denies a certain amount of control so family members can't screw the equipment up either.

I am a firm believer that absolutely no equipment should be inside a theater if you can avoid it. A separate place for all the components, except maybe a DVD player and/or game system outside the theater keeps unwanted heat, noise, and light out of your room. You don't worry (as much) about a pretty rack for the equipment but can focus more and having it properly ventilated so that it performs better and lasts longer.

Whole house distributed audio can run the gammut on price, so do a little research and determine some pricing that you like. Consider how volume control is handled, in ceiling speakers, cabling, LABOR ($$$), amplification, and sources.

For example: I have 10 zones in my home, all Crestron controlled, with separate amplification and control in each room which is fed by a dual zone digital music server, dedicated CD player, tuner, and XM radio. It shares the digital music stations on my HD cable box. Basically five sources available and three still open for future expansion if I want.

My biggest recommendation: Conduit is your friend.
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colfaxkarl

Audiophyte
Thanks for the tip on Crestron & Conduit

I have already planned for a centralized equipment room with its own cooling, with conduit home runs. Do you guys think 1/2" conduit is sufficient, or should I go 3/4"?

Regarding whole house control. I get confused because so many of the systems (whole house audio; i.e. Speakercraft, lighting; i.e. Lutron) seem to want to do it all. Its kind of like every remote I have. How come they ALL have a volume switch? I know that Crestron is capable of doing it all, but I wonder if there is a more efficient combination of other systems that can give me 80% of Crestron functionality for substantially less cost.

Your comment about keeping other family members from being able to change settings: heck, I'm worried about ME being able to change settings. My experience of complicated home audio is like getting a golf lesson. Everything works until I change something. I just don't know what I have changed.

Any further help greatly appreciated.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
sjdgpt said:
Correction:

Conduit is your BEST friend
Ha - yes.

3/4" conduit is pretty narrow really and is the minimum I would go wtih. Carlon (brand) conduit is what the link above will give you and the 3/4" size has available quick fit connections that connect directly to low voltage boxes. Just run the conduit to a box, cut it, snap it into the fitting, then snap it into the low voltage box and you are good to go.

Crestron is commonly referred to as 'top of the line'... Which is not entirely correct. It is a top shelf control system, but it offers many pieces that reach down to more consumer friendly pricing. Never cheap, but also not outrageous. For example: In an 8 zone setup you can put a keypad in each room for an average cost of about $650.00 per room, not including amp and speakers. So, maybe $1,000.00 a room. While this isn't cheap, it is less expensive than a couple of the distributed audio systems that didn't offer as much performance or capability that were recently reviewed in Home Theater (or Sound & Vision) magazines. Of course, you can negotiate pricing down 10% or more as I am listing FULL MSRP on this.

Now, are there other options? Definitely... Pronto type remotes can work well if you are very careful about what equipment you purchase. Distributed audio systems from companies like Sonance offer 6 zones of sources to be handled independently with control keypads in each room for a fair price.

The main advantage you get with Crestron is that once it is setup, then you really won't have a reason to touch your system other that loading DVDs or CDs. If you want to watch a movie, you press button, it starts up the projector, gets it on the right input, turns on the receiver, drops the screen, sets the aspect ratio, etc., etc. It may allow you to change surround settings if you want, or make some other tweaks while it is on, but then when you shut down it will reset everything to the way it was when you first came into the room. This greatly reduces user error and simplifies system operation.

This is almost impossible to do with any other remote control system on the market which makes it a great way to go. Of course, it's also what I program for a living, so I am pretty much required to by hyped on it. ;) Really though, I like it because it is an honest product. The surest sign of quality to me is when I finish programming a home on Friday and leave without giving anyone training because the family isn't home. Then on Monday I call them and they tell me how they watched some movies in the theater and how much they are enjoying the system. Their entire family just used a complex $30,000+ home theater because they had a control system in place. That's the added value you get.

Now, I'm sounding like a sales guy, I know, but there are no remote systems I have seen that come close to doing what Crestron does. Pronto type remotes with macros can do a decent job, but also have serious issues. Since they are IR or use sketchy RF, there is always a chance that an IR code will be missed. That means that the macro isn't always 100% accurate. Then you end up with confused users. As well, some equipment doesn't use IR codes that all Pronto remotes work really well with. So, the overall use can end up a little sketchy.

Of course, I don't know your budget, but if you are being serious about everything else in your home, then making it usable in a way that makes you and everyone in your home happy is really critical. At least it is worth taking a look at first hand and comparing some other equipment to first hand as well if at all possible.

I can't be of much use to you just by explaining stuff, and unless you are in the Washington, DC area, there is not much I can show you either.
 
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