help...Speaker placement - bass hurts ears

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Sylar

Full Audioholic
I have a 14 x 12 x 10 room. I have a pair of PSB Image T6 (front firing). I have set the speakers along the longer dimension. I had earlier, placed the speakers at a good position (accidentally placed in a good position :D), and after running audessey (SR7005), it corrected the bass a lot. I recently shifted my speakers and then back to my room, and tried a few different positions, and the bass hurts my ears. Audessey helped a bit, still not good enough. I have not done any acoustic treatment.

I searched around a bit and then ran into this article,
http://www.cardas.com/pdf/roomsetup.pdf
But this literally brings the speakers forward to around the center of the room as I have set the speakers along the longer diamension.
I have attached my room layout.

What do I do and how do I go about step by step to obtain good placement?
 

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GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Small rooms are really not friendly with bass. You don't need an equilateral triangle, but do move your mains about 3+ ft away from boundaries, and your seat a good 2-3ft away from boundaries as well. Treating the wall behind you can make a big difference.

Beyond that, I can't tell you what is necessary without measurements, measurements, measurements.

You could try adding corner bass traps. They will need to be very thick rigid fibreglass (12" thick; or six 2" panels stacked together) and will need to cover the entire corner (yes, floor/ceiling-wall horizontal corners as well as wall/wall vertical corners). This might absorb enough of the excess bass energy to make it manageable.

The T6 are not speakers that should emphasize bass, at least.
 
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Sylar

Full Audioholic
Small rooms are really not friendly with bass. You don't need an equilateral triangle, but do move your mains about 3+ ft away from boundaries, and your seat a good 2-3ft away from boundaries as well. Treating the wall behind you can make a big difference.
Damn! That's a real challenge. Especially with my speakers placed along the longer side.
I had created this thread, exploring for a new sub. Do you think its a good idea to get a sub in my scenario? I dont plan to treat my current room. I will try and move the speakers around and experiment more. I plan to move the speakers to a bigger room in a couple of years.

You could try adding corner bass traps. They will need to be very thick rigid fibreglass (12" thick; or six 2" panels stacked together) and will need to cover the entire corner (yes, floor/ceiling-wall horizontal corners as well as wall/wall vertical corners). This might absorb enough of the excess bass energy to make it manageable.
I was going through a couple of videos here ... http://www.realtraps.com/
I understand why the side, top panels & carpets are used, to minimize excessive reflection. But why is it for bass, the panels are along the corners & boundaries of the room.
 
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BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Damn! That's a real challenge. Especially with my speakers placed along the longer side.
I had created this thread, exploring for a new sub. Do you think its a good idea to get a sub? I dont plan to treat my room. I will try and move the speakers around and experiment more. I plan to move the speakers to a bigger room in a couple of years.
You should do a) "crawling for bass" b) get another, preferably identical, sub and place them near middle of opposite boundary walls ether sides or front and back.
This should help to muzzle boundary distortions in your room. 4 identical subs would ideal.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/why-you-need-four-subwoofers
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Well, if you only really care about one seating position (the "sweet spot" as it were), the first thing to try is just moving your seat. If the bass is loud enough that it's actually hurting your ears, there's no question that you are sitting right on a bass node peak - the point where sound waves from your speakers are reflecting off of your walls/ceiling/floor and "bouncing" back and forth and you happen to be sitting right where they overlap and combine to create a huge swell in the volume! If you have your seat pushed right up against the wall behind you, pull it away from the wall by 1.5-3 feet. If you're lucky, you just happen to be sitting in one, big peak and moving the seat will get you out of it.

My own theatre room is a very similar size and I've stuck a lot of absorption in there to quell the bass reflections. I'm afraid you just can't cheat physics! Bass is going to bounce around in your room and create peaks and nulls - that's just the way it is.

Things get more complicated when you have multiple sources of bass, but it can also be the solution - it's just not easy to know exactly where to place them! Right now, you've got two speakers making bass waves and then the room's dimensions are creating standing waves. If you correctly place multiple subwoofers, you can break up those standing bass waves, but you can't just place subwoofers willy-nilly. You COULD do it through trial and error (crawling for bass would be the fastest way to get a rough idea of where your subwoofers might go in order to help), but what you'd really want are some pretty thorough measurements.

If you're not willing to use thick absorption panels on the walls, about your only other option is to stick as many sound absorbing pieces of furniture in your room as you can. Gik Acoustics sells end tables and pedestals with thick, bass absorbing insulation built in. That would be one option to "hide" your acoustic treatments in pieces of furniture that you might need anyway.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
I think one of best (if not the best) place to learn about many things audio, including on how to "DELIVERING GOOD BASS IN SMALL ROOMS" is in Floyd Toole book - Sound Reproduction loudspeakers and rooms. specifically Chapters 13.3 and 22.4
 

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