Help me to choose speakers !!!

H

Hovak

Enthusiast
Hi,

I want to spend about $500 on speakers. I know it's not the best price for a decent pair of speakers, but that's all I can afford at this point. I have Bang & Olufsen Beosystem 2500, planning to buy two Tube Monoblock Amplifiers, but I don't know what speakers to get.

Any suggestions ?

P.S.

What do you think about Music Angel monoblock Tube amps ?
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Hi,

I want to spend about $500 on speakers. I know it's not the best price for a decent pair of speakers, but that's all I can afford at this point. I have Bang & Olufsen Beosystem 2500, planning to buy two Tube Monoblock Amplifiers, but I don't know what speakers to get.

Any suggestions ?

P.S.

What do you think about Music Angel monoblock Tube amps ?
If you are after sound quality, the speakers matter much more than the amplifier. More importantly, your choice of amp should be "fitted" to your speakers.
Most tube amps are low wattage, but assuming you don't have enough power to drive your speakers, a tube amp will sound much better because their distortion is harmonic with the music.
Solid State will sound worse if driven beyond its limits, but is generally less expensive to get substantial increases in power. So you can avoid the distortion altogether.
Amps are designed to accurately amplify the original recording. If you are not exceeding the capability of the amp, they should all sound the same.

Amps are not rocket science. The science of electronics is well established and good amps have been around for a long time. Speakers, on the other hand have the much more difficult task of converting electrical signals into mechanical motion - sound waves. Speakers are essentially a series of compromises! The designer has to pick and choose what is important and what to compromise.

I cannot know that you do not happen to have some incredible hearing that can discriminate between amps. However, I can promise you that audible differences between speakers is much, much greater. Thus spend your time and money finding the right speakers, then find an amp that is capable of driving those speakers.

IMHO, you should declare your budget and what components it needs to buy, then evaluate the suggestions you get from people here.
 
Last edited:
F

Fowl

Audioholic
Hi,

I want to spend about $500 on speakers. I know it's not the best price for a decent pair of speakers, but that's all I can afford at this point. I have Bang & Olufsen Beosystem 2500, planning to buy two Tube Monoblock Amplifiers, but I don't know what speakers to get.

Any suggestions ?

P.S.

What do you think about Music Angel monoblock Tube amps ?
It would also be good if we knew the room size and if you want towers or bookshelves.
 
LAB3

LAB3

Senior Audioholic
If you are going to use tube amps you might look for some used Klipsch Heritage speakers as they come in many different sizes. A pair of used Heresy (about $350.00 or so)and a entry level sub will suprise you. There are many other brands that work well with tubes so try to match them with the amps output.
 
caper26

caper26

Full Audioholic
This might be a great value to you: Energy Veritas 6.2

Regular Price: $1,200 ea
On sale for $300 ea.
You may be hard pressed to find a better performing (and looking) speaker at this price.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
This might be a great value to you: Energy Veritas 6.2

Regular Price: $1,200 ea
On sale for $300 ea.
You may be hard pressed to find a better performing (and looking) speaker at this price.
Nice find!
It bears mention that these are 4 ohm speakers (but very efficient at 92db)!
 
LAB3

LAB3

Senior Audioholic
Nice find!
It bears mention that these are 4 ohm speakers (but very efficient at 92db)!
Was that a typo?? 92 is Not very effcient vs a Klipsch Cornwall/Heresy etc 101 db 1w1meter 100wpc.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Was that a typo?? 92 is Not very effcient vs a Klipsch Cornwall/Heresy etc 101 db 1w1meter 100wpc.
More of a contextual brain fart than a typo. I generally consider 92 very efficient (mine are in the mid 80's), but if I had read back to your mention of 101db, I would not have worded it that way!:)
 
H

Hovak

Enthusiast
I am actually looking to buy bookshelves. My room is not that big, so I don't really need big speakers. Being an audio engineer, I use JBL LSR4326 active monitors at home for my editing and some minor mixing stuff, but I don't really want to hook up my Bang & Olufsen to these speakers. I want to have separate good sounding equipment for just enjoying music.

Also i'd appreciate if you say something about Music Angel tube amps. That's what I am reviewing at this moment. I have about $800 for amps, so if there's anything better you guys can recommend, that would be awesome.

Thanks,
Hovak
 
H

Hovak

Enthusiast
This might be a great value to you:

Energy Veritas 6.2

Regular Price: $1,200 ea
On sale for $300 ea.
You may be hard pressed to find a better performing (and looking) speaker at this price.
This one really took my attention.

Have you ever checked these speakers ? do they sound really good ?
 
caper26

caper26

Full Audioholic
Look for Veritas reviews (6.2 or 6.3). At the original price the reviews aren't top notch. If I was in the USA, i would be buying these in rosenut, like, yesterday! I have the little sister of that brand (RC instead of veritas), and for the price I got them, I am more than pleased.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
No. They are 8 ohm NOMINAL, which means "8 Ohm".
In a world without marketing hype you would be right.
However, Energy's website says "8 ohms nominal; 4 ohms minimum ".
Audioholics tested the Veritas 6.3 (for which the Energy website also states "8 ohms nominal; 4 ohms minimum") and reached the following conclusion:

I ran a series of amplitude response & impedance tests for the V-6.3s. Above left we see a plot of both towers system impedance & phase with both ports open. At the LF end of the sweep we see the twin impedance peaks typical of a vented system. Located between the peaks is a local minimum of 5.5Ω at about 46 Hz. This minimum is a good indicator of the systems tuning frequency. At just over 140 Hz we see a global minimum of 3.5 Ω. Based on this minimum the system can be described as having a nominal impedance of 4 Ω.
Energy Veritas V-6.3 Measurements & Analysis — Reviews and News from Audioholics
 
ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Samurai
Also i'd appreciate if you say something about Music Angel tube amps. That's what I am reviewing at this moment. I have about $800 for amps, so if there's anything better you guys can recommend, that would be awesome.

Thanks,
Hovak
They're inexpensive.

Tube amps are frowned upon in these parts, and for very solid technical reasons. The biggie would probably be their high output impedance, which results in a load dependent freq response; each and every speaker will have it's own idiosyncratic response curve when paired with such an amp. The higher the output impedance of the amp, the greater the deviation will be.

A picture may explain it better, see attachment. The lower trace on the graph is the actual response of a high output impedance amp when connected to a speaker (Klipsch Cornwall in this particular case). Whoops, chopped off the scale...that response is within a 5db window from 18-20k, which for an amp is pretty atrocious.

source: https://sites.google.com/site/mitjaborko/Klipsch_Cornwall_Test_Report.pdf?attredirects=0
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
I am actually looking to buy bookshelves. My room is not that big, so I don't really need big speakers. Being an audio engineer, I use JBL LSR4326 active monitors at home for my editing and some minor mixing stuff, but I don't really want to hook up my Bang & Olufsen to these speakers. I want to have separate good sounding equipment for just enjoying music.

Also i'd appreciate if you say something about Music Angel tube amps. That's what I am reviewing at this moment. I have about $800 for amps, so if there's anything better you guys can recommend, that would be awesome.

Thanks,
Hovak
$500 for speakers and $800 for amp?? :eek::eek:
The proportions should be $300 for amp and $1000 for speakers
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I have about $800 for amps, so if there's anything better you guys can recommend, that would be awesome.

Thanks,
Hovak
I think it is a mistake to spend more on amplification than speakers, but there are two good options in amps for two channels for under $800. Either of these has the capability to drive the vast majority of normal consumer speakers:

2 ea. Outlaw 2200 monoblocks at $350 ea (discounted to $674 if you buy 2)
Model 2200 Monoblock Power Amplifier

1 ea. Emotiva XPA-2 normally $800, on sale now for $719.
XPA-2 | 300W x 2 | Emotiva Audio | High-end audio components for audiophiles and videophiles, spanning 2-channel music systems, as well as 5.1 and 7.1 home theaters. Products include multichannel amplifiers, stereo amplifiers, and monoblock amplifier

The Emotiva is more powerful and weighs 72 pounds with a 5 year warranty, but the Outlaw is a good consideration if you want a more compact solution or if you like the flexibility of monoblocks (at 18 pounds each) with a 5 year warranty.
The Outlaws are a more modern design. That does not make them sound better (or worse), just explains why it is so much lighter.

Either of these should last well over a decade (if not a lifetime) and you should be in good shape to upgrade your speakers without much concern of whether the amp will be capable.
If you have an open mind, you will eventually realize the truth that speakers have a much greater impact on sound quality.
 
Last edited:
LAB3

LAB3

Senior Audioholic
They're inexpensive.

Tube amps are frowned upon in these parts, and for very solid technical reasons. The biggie would probably be their high output impedance, which results in a load dependent freq response; each and every speaker will have it's own idiosyncratic response curve when paired with such an amp. The higher the output impedance of the amp, the greater the deviation will be.

A picture may explain it better, see attachment. The lower trace on the graph is the actual response of a high output impedance amp when connected to a speaker (Klipsch Cornwall in this particular case). Whoops, chopped off the scale...that response is within a 5db window from 18-20k, which for an amp is pretty atrocious.

source: https://sites.google.com/site/mitjaborko/Klipsch_Cornwall_Test_Report.pdf?attredirects=0
I have owned my 1979 Cornwalls from day one and I have had many different tube and SS amps on them over the years and I loved Pop's old McIntosh tube seperates they sounded wonderfull on them for many years. But HD and HDMI and HT, Bluray has my intrest now so I have a HD AVR that I was going to use a Pre/Pro and purchase new seperate amps but my small den and these High Efficieny Cornwalls sound great with these whimpy Yamaha AVR amps. Thanks for the Cornwall link. I would like to see one of these tests for my series Cornwalls... different networks.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
I think it is a mistake to spend more on amplification than speakers, but there are two good options in amps for two channels for under $800. Either of these has the capability to drive the vast majority of normal consumer speakers:

2 ea. Outlaw 2200 monoblocks at $350 ea (discounted to $674 if you buy 2)
Model 2200 Monoblock Power Amplifier

1 ea. Emotiva XPA-2 normally $800, on sale now for $719.
XPA-2 | 300W x 2 | Emotiva Audio | High-end audio components for audiophiles and videophiles, spanning 2-channel music systems, as well as 5.1 and 7.1 home theaters. Products include multichannel amplifiers, stereo amplifiers, and monoblock amplifier

The Emotiva is more powerful and weighs 72 pounds with a 5 year warranty, but the Outlaw is a good consideration if you want a more compact solution or if you like the flexibility of monoblocks (at 18 pounds each) with a 5 year warranty.
The Outlaws are a more modern design. That does not make them sound better (or worse), just explains why it is so much lighter.

Either of these should last well over a decade (if not a lifetime) and you should be in good shape to upgrade your speakers without much concern of whether the amp will be capable.
If you have an open mind, you will eventually realize the truth that speakers have a much greater impact on sound quality.
These are both outstanding products, but for Many Many speakers and room even these amps would be an overkill

I was thinking more like this one: HK 3490 - 120 wpc (keep in mind these are
Harman Kardon Open Box HK 3490 Stereo Receiver in Stereo and Surround Sound Receivers | JR.com

AH review confirms it's great value: harman/kardon HK 3490 Measurements and Analysis — Reviews and News from Audioholics
 
newsletter

  • RBHsound.com
  • BlueJeansCable.com
  • SVS Sound Subwoofers
  • Experience the Martin Logan Montis
Top