Help me compare amps outlaw/sunfire

[Metalbender]

I am looking for a new amp to run my 7.1 PSB image speakers.

Im looking at the Sunfire Theater Grand Amplifier - TGA-7201

or the Outlaw 7200

both are close in price and look close in spec. The Sunfire weighs half of the Outlaw. Any thoughts????

 

[jinjuku]

If you are using a receiver I would just get 3 channels of amplification for the front and drive the surrounds off the receiver.

Pick up two Yamaha P2500S and pocket a load of cash or burn the money saved into some really nice subs.

 

[Metalbender]

I have a nice sub! Thanks, FW 15.3 and im going to get away from my powered avr

 

[jinjuku]

I have a nice sub! Thanks, FW 15.3 and im going to get away from my powered avr

Ya, I couldn't assume you had a nice sub since only the 7 speakers were listed.

I'm sure either amp is nice. Weight really means zero to fidelity or SQ so I wouldn't keep that in mind when making the purchase decision.

Get room treatments then.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I would get the Outlaw 200wpc x 7ch amp.

ATI makes 200wpc & 300wpc amps for Outlaw, Mark Levinson, Lexicon, Cary Audio, Theta, among others. Of course, the build specs are different for each company, but the cores are the same.

With that being said, I don't think you will go wrong with either amps since they are both great.

 

[Metalbender]

if the guts of these are pretty much the same what is the weight difference? Heat sinks?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

if the guts of these are pretty much the same what is the weight difference? Heat sinks?

The chassis, power supply, heat sinks, connectors, or how they "specify".

The AT2007 is "93lbs" net, but 105lb shipping weight.

Outlaw 7200 is "90lbs", which is probably 93lbs if we allow tolerance for error.

Lexicon RX-7 is "105lb", which is probably the shipping weight.

Mark Levinson 535 is 200wpc x 5ch, weighs "98lbs", probably for chassis and heat sinks and power supply.

AT2002 is 62lbs shipped, Cary Audio 200.2 is 65lbs.

 

[Metalbender]

the sunfire is like 45 lbs

 

[Metalbender]

Ya, I couldn't assume you had a nice sub since only the 7 speakers were listed.

I'm sure either amp is nice. Weight really means zero to fidelity or SQ so I wouldn't keep that in mind when making the purchase decision.

Get room treatments then.

do dogs lounging on my couches count as room treatments??

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

the sunfire is like 45 lbs

The Sunfire doesn't have the same core as ATI.

ATI does not build Sunfire amps.

ATI builds 125wpc, 200wpc, 300wpc amps for some companies, but NOT Sunfire.

ATI --> Mark Levinson, Lexicon, JBL, Outlaw, Cary, Theta, B&K. Probably other companies like Earthquake as well.

 

[jinjuku]

Weight differences are due to topologies. The Sunfire could be some derivative of an SMPS design. Therefore the low weight.

 

[Metalbender]

topologies?? The study of geometric properties and spatial relations unaffected by the continuous change of shape or size of figures.

WTF

 

[PENG]

It may (not always, and often not so much) be useful to compare weights between amps of similar designs such as classifications, i.e. A, AB, D etc. The ones ADTG talked about built by ATI are likely of the class A/B type whereas the Sunfire is not.

Even within the same classifications weights could still vary a lot due to different design and material used in the enclosure, heat sinks and types of transformers etc. For example, Bryston amps are generally much lighter than Emotiva's on Watts/lb basis but that does not mean Emotiva amps are more powerful than Bryston ones that havew the same specified power output ratings.

 

[Metalbender]

Peng thanks,
I will look up the class on the sunfire. Im just lookimg for someone who has any experience with the sunfire amps they are only a couple of hundred dollars cheaper, but it seems that not many people have had experience whith these amps. (the only major difference I could see is weight. not good or bad just a difference)

 

[jinjuku]

topologies?? The study of geometric properties and spatial relations unaffected by the continuous change of shape or size of figures.

WTF

Not sure in what voice you posted that but you are starting to rub me the wrong way. See attached for some education. You only need to pay attention to the title.

 

[jinjuku]

I’m sorry I’m rubbing you the wrong way, you can take it in whatever tone you see fit.
First off Jinjuku, you replied to my post with nothing useful or helpful, in fact you were spouting off about buying some other amp and getting a better sub and basically you were talking down to me. You should know better you are a mod and your post added nothing! Thanks
Second you start throwing around 10 dollar words, and yes I read the article and it has little to do with weight as the physical case and hard components, as AcuDefTechGuy has posted. So if you have something useful full to post please do.
Thanks Eric

Wha...Wha....What?

First off one thing a lot of people do here to help is explore a differing arrangement of equipment to allocate funds to other items.
Any cursory reading and you will see that as a common thread: Exploring alternate options.

2nd you didn't post what sub you had. So in an informational vacuum a suggestion was made.

3rd if you're not smart enough to google SMPS and amp or amp and 'topology' then it's on you. I'm not the one that responded with WTF. That doesn't go well when it's done to a member here let alone a mod that is just trying to help.

4th in the amp suggestion department often times members here will simply 'suggest' that if you have a receiver you can drive your surrounds off of it and get quality 3 channels for the L/C/R and invest in better sub (which you don't need) or room treatments or some such.

My last suggestion is don't lock horns with people that are merely offering up suggestions. My last warning to you is let this drop where I'm concerned.

The title of the article that I posted should have clued you into the fact that Topology is used to discuss various circuit layouts. The fact that it didn't blip on your radar is a bit disconcerting. I'll let you know when the actual $10 words start getting used.

 

[slipperybidness]

Wha...Wha....What?

First off one thing a lot of people do here to help is explore a differing arrangement of equipment to allocate funds to other items.
Any cursory reading and you will see that as a common thread: Exploring alternate options.

2nd you didn't post what sub you had. So in an informational vacuum a suggestion was made.

3rd if you're not smart enough to google SMPS and amp or amp and 'topology' then it's on you. I'm not the one that responded with WTF. That doesn't go well when it's done to a member here let alone a mod that is just trying to help.

4th in the amp suggestion department often times members here will simply 'suggest' that if you have a receiver you can drive your surrounds off of it and get quality 3 channels for the L/C/R and invest in better sub (which you don't need) or room treatments or some such.

My last suggest is don't lock horns with people that are merely offering up suggestions. My last warning to you is let this drop where I'm concerned.

The title of the article that I posted should have clued you into the fact that Topology is used to discuss various circuit layouts. The fact that it didn't blip on your radar is a bit disconcerting. I'll let you know when the actual $10 words start getting used.

For the record, your original use of topology was quite clear to me, and probably most on the forum.

 

[Adam]

If I may - let's try to remember that we come here to learn, have fun, and share our enjoyment in a common hobby. Let's smooth out those ruffled feathers.

Eric, you came here because you're looking at amps and (I'm guessing) excited about adding one to your system. As others have said, you probably can't go wrong with either choice. If it were me, and both had good reviews and met my desires, I'd go with the lighter weight one. I just don't like trying to manuever an 80+ pound amp chassis into my entertainment center. I know this because I've done it.

jinjuku, you posted to help out. One of the posts didn't help the way that you had intended. Eh, it happens. Well, at least to me.

 

[Metalbender]

Wha...Wha....What?

First off one thing a lot of people do here to help is explore a differing arrangement of equipment to allocate funds to other items.
Any cursory reading and you will see that as a common thread: Exploring alternate options.

2nd you didn't post what sub you had. So in an informational vacuum a suggestion was made.

3rd if you're not smart enough to google SMPS and amp or amp and 'topology' then it's on you. I'm not the one that responded with WTF. That doesn't go well when it's done to a member here let alone a mod that is just trying to help.

4th in the amp suggestion department often times members here will simply 'suggest' that if you have a receiver you can drive your surrounds off of it and get quality 3 channels for the L/C/R and invest in better sub (which you don't need) or room treatments or some such.

My last suggestion is don't lock horns with people that are merely offering up suggestions. My last warning to you is let this drop where I'm concerned.

The title of the article that I posted should have clued you into the fact that Topology is used to discuss various circuit layouts. The fact that it didn't blip on your radar is a bit disconcerting. I'll let you know when the actual $10 words start getting used.

jinjuku, first off I apologize for using WTF sorry not appropriate.
Second I never attacked you personally, but you did attack me by insulting my intelligence (“ 3rd if you're not smart enough to google SMPS and amp or amp and 'topology' then it's on you. I'm not the one that responded with WTF. That doesn't go well when it's done to a member here let alone a mod that is just trying to help.”) Also do not threaten me with the internet tough guy. You need to remember this is a business and I am a customer. You have a funny way of welcoming new members.
Eric

 

[jinjuku]

jinjuku, first off I apologize for using WTF sorry not appropriate.
Second I never attacked you personally, but you did attack me by insulting my intelligence (“ 3rd if you're not smart enough to google SMPS and amp or amp and 'topology' then it's on you. I'm not the one that responded with WTF. That doesn't go well when it's done to a member here let alone a mod that is just trying to help.”) Also do not threaten me with the internet tough guy. You need to remember this is a business and I am a customer. You have a funny way of welcoming new members.
Eric

Back the train up. I'll stand by statement 3. When I mentioned Topology your response wasn't: Hey whats that mean. It was to come at me with a dictionary definition and to tie it all up? Finish with a nice WTF.

Now before you make a situation that you started worse I'll bounce you out of here. I told you to move on. Now you are calling me a tough guy?

Bye bye.