Help deciding buying AVR tomorrow under 3k

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Lexluther

Audiophyte
I've budgeted 3K for an AVR purchase tomorrow however I am overwhelmed by the choices. I've narrowed them to the following below. The 3k limited is retail and I realize that there are online discounts and that I don't necessarily need to spend the full amount ,my needs are a single room 23x21.

My concern is buying something that puts me into a box in terms of my choice. I bought a Sony DVD 9000ES a while ago and looks it worth no more than $300 now and I paid 1300 for it new a while back, same goes for my Sony 42 xbr3. I don't watch to much tv maybe 7hrs per week and rarely listen to music inside the house. This year work has left me traveling and I was home only for 3months out of the year and my gear sat dormant. This year I will spend most of my time home and plan on staying in and saving for a nice vacation so I need to see a lot of DVD's to keep me sane. Also with tech changing 3times per year I don't want to waste money. I'm in the high middle range and my needs are simple. I do want to invest in quality equipment but not go overboard and waste money. I think if I stay in the middle of the road I can sell and upgrade after 4-5yrs and not loose to much money if that sounds possible?

System needs are single room surround and system used for TV/Movies. HDMI 1.4a is a must to stay 3D upgradable. I would like to be able to use Android or Apple IOS GIU app to control the system.

Speakers also need help deciding soon Definitive slim Mythos on-walls or Martin Logan Fresco or possibly in-walls like the Voyage or Passage. I need something thin and not bulky to match the display. I see good deals out there cutting the prices substantially. Display currently is an 42" xb3 but an LG Lex8 or Samsung d8000 is soon to be on its way. Business puts me in Tokyo and Korea 1wk each and I plan to send a display back.

I'm a little of context but giving fill as to my needs and plans. Feel free to chime in I've been out of the scene for a few years and have no clue whats going on out there..

Ok AVR Choices:

1)Pioneer SC-37
2)Marantz SR7005 or AV7005 plus MM8003
3)Yamaha RX A3000
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
I've budgeted 3K for an AVR purchase tomorrow however I am overwhelmed by the choices. I've narrowed them to the following below. The 3k limited is retail and I realize that there are online discounts and that I don't necessarily need to spend the full amount ,my needs are a single room 23x21.

My concern is buying something that puts me into a box in terms of my choice. I bought a Sony DVD 9000ES a while ago and looks it worth no more than $300 now and I paid 1300 for it new a while back, same goes for my Sony 42 xbr3. I don't watch to much tv maybe 7hrs per week and rarely listen to music inside the house. This year work has left me traveling and I was home only for 3months out of the year and my gear sat dormant. This year I will spend most of my time home and plan on staying in and saving for a nice vacation so I need to see a lot of DVD's to keep me sane. Also with tech changing 3times per year I don't want to waste money. I'm in the high middle range and my needs are simple. I do want to invest in quality equipment but not go overboard and waste money. I think if I stay in the middle of the road I can sell and upgrade after 4-5yrs and not loose to much money if that sounds possible?

System needs are single room surround and system used for TV/Movies. HDMI 1.4a is a must to stay 3D upgradable. I would like to be able to use Android or Apple IOS GIU app to control the system.

Speakers also need help deciding soon Definitive slim Mythos on-walls or Martin Logan Fresco or possibly in-walls like the Voyage or Passage. I need something thin and not bulky to match the display. I see good deals out there cutting the prices substantially. Display currently is an 42" xb3 but an LG Lex8 or Samsung d8000 is soon to be on its way. Business puts me in Tokyo and Korea 1wk each and I plan to send a display back.

I'm a little of context but giving fill as to my needs and plans. Feel free to chime in I've been out of the scene for a few years and have no clue whats going on out there..

Ok AVR Choices:

1)Pioneer SC-37
2)Marantz SR7005 or AV7005 plus MM8003
3)Yamaha RX A3000
Buying a display in another country makes no sense, even if you get a great price- you would need to declare its value when you enter the country unless you can buy it from a duty-free store and even then, what happens in the event that it needs service?

Pick your speakers first. Get the ones that sound best and then make your receiver selection. Any Denon receiver will do what you described.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
For 3K I would get a pre-pro and external amp.

So in line with choice #2:

Marantz AV7005 and 5 or 7 channel external amp. Not sure if you are doing 5 or 7 speakers.

That is a lot of space to fill up. You may want to check out RBH for in-walls.

How much is it going to cost to ship that TV back? Plus Duties?

I just sent a small care package to japan (under 10lbs) and it cost $75...
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Ok AVR Choices:

1)Pioneer SC-37
2)Marantz SR7005 or AV7005 plus MM8003
3)Yamaha RX A3000
I would get the AV7005 + MM8003.:D

But everyone is different. If you like to keep it simple, just stick with a "simple" single-box solution like an AVR.

Does aesthetics matter to you? Which one looks the best to you?

In terms of quality, all of these will be on par with one another.

Also look into Denon 3311:
http://usa.denon.com/us/product/pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=3d9614d1-8000-4106-ab91-8192242cab83&SubId=40b5820d-83c2-4e93-9909-60aae60e0bdd&ProductId=b44a517c-7e15-493c-8373-dbd2a1f57f63
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
I recommend that you pick your speakers first. Otherwise, you will not know what you need to actually drive them.

Also, unless you really need the features of a $3k receiver, it is almost certainly a waste of money. And if you choose difficult to drive speakers, you will probably be better off getting a $600 receiver with preamp outputs and buying a separate power amplifier (or amplifiers) to drive them.

In almost all cases, for $3k, it would be better to just spend $600 on the receiver and put the $2400 extra into better speakers than you would otherwise get. You will hear the difference with the speakers, but most likely you will not really hear any difference with the receiver. (And remember, subwoofers are speakers, too.)

In my case, I am running a system with speakers that retail for well over $6k and a receiver that retails for about $1700. Previously, I was using a $600 receiver with the same speakers, and unless I engage a feature that affects the sound, it sounds the same as before. I bought the more expensive receiver because I wanted its features (I also got it for less than 1/3 retail price, as it was a discontinued model).

If you want your money to actually impact the sound, put as much as reasonably possible into your speakers. This has the added advantage of being a better long-term investment, because they keep coming out with new features that get people to buy new receivers, but you can continue using the same speakers. So money in your speakers is a better long-term investment as well as being what will make the most difference in the sound.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
If you want your money to actually impact the sound, put as much as reasonably possible into your speakers. This has the added advantage of being a better long-term investment, because they keep coming out with new features that get people to buy new receivers, but you can continue using the same speakers. So money in your speakers is a better long-term investment as well as being what will make the most difference in the sound.
You are harshing our spend some one else's money mellow:D
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I hope you are getting the picture here. There are a lot of fine electronics out there, but realistically, the speakers (and the room) will dominate the quality of the sound you hear. $3000 is a lot to spend on a receiver unless you just have plenty of money, or you must have all of the latest and greatest features (which it sounds like you don't care much about).

So, find your speakers first, don't short change that process as it is the most important one in getting good sound.

Once you determine your speakers, then there is a slight chance they will need something beyond a standard 80-130WPC receiver to properly drive them. If so that will be easy enough to handle.

Either way, since you seem to have an ample budget, I would recommend finding a good solid amplifier which will last you decades.

As you have experienced, receivers and pre-processors go obsolete quickly! Unless you are identifying specific features offered by the latest generation of receivers (or pre-pros), I would recommend you buy 1-3 year old receivers with pre-outs which you can find new at great savings. Really, all the receiver has to do is offer the minimum feature set you need and be reliable. It is, by nature, the "disposable" component of your system, and not the best place to sink too much money.

Any major brand will cover you for a receiver. I think Marantz represents a good value for a predominantly music system, but you'd probably be better off with other brands for a video oriented system.

Work with us component by component and we'll narrow it down so you won't make a bad choice (we can't always determine your best choice, but we can give you a "can't lose" pool to choose from).:)
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I recommend the Theta Casablanca III with three Marantz MA-9S1 monoblocks and two MA9S2. Oh, and get a Benchmark DAC.
 
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Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
You are harshing our spend some one else's money mellow:D
I think it is better to give people good advice. If he still wants to spend $3k on a receiver, I would not stop him even if I could. But I will not recommend it, unless one actually needs something that it can do that a less expensive one cannot do, or he has money to burn. Frankly, at that price point, one should probably have spent 5 figures on speakers first. And even if one did spend 5 figures on speakers, if they were not difficult to drive, there would be no need to spend more than $600 on a receiver to drive them.

In my living room system, I use an Onkyo CD changer with my Apogee Stage speakers. That tidbit of information will put some of the nutters into a tizzy. Speakers are what matter most, and the rest (excluding analog sources, for those who still use such sources) is relatively unimportant, except in cases where the speakers are demanding and require a better amplifier than usual (as with my 3 ohm Stages).
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I recommend the Theta Casablanca III with three Marantz MA-9S1 monoblocks and two MA9S2. Oh, and get a Benchmark DAC.
First of all, I don't really want to be giving Lex Luther any recommendations since I AM from Krypton, hello?:eek::D:)

Second of all, why would you want to get a lowly Theta when you could get a $40K Mark Levinson No40 pre-pro with a whooping 3 HDMI inputs & 1 HDMI output? Hello!

http://www.marklevinson.com/products/details.asp?prod=no40

And, excuse me, Marantz? Please!

Just get 5 of these $30K Mark Levinson No53 500-watts monoblocks:
http://www.marklevinson.com/ProductDetails.aspx?prdid=1

Don't be a cheapo, GranteedEV!:D

But, okay, seriously, AVRat's Denon 4311 for $1,500 Rec'd is a great price.
 
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Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
First of all, I don't really want to be giving Lex Luther any recommendations since I AM from Krypton, hello?:eek::D:)

Second of all, why would you want to get a lowly Theta when you could get a $40K Mark Levinson No40 pre-pro with a whooping 3 HDMI inputs & 1 HDMI output? Hello!

http://www.marklevinson.com/products/details.asp?prod=no40

And, excuse me, Marantz? Please!

Just get 5 of these $30K Mark Levinson No53 500-watts monoblocks:
http://www.marklevinson.com/ProductDetails.aspx?prdid=1

Don't be a cheapo, GranteedEV!:D

But, okay, seriously, AVRat's Denon 4311 for $1,500 Rec'd is a great price.
What, you want to recommend such cheap gear? How about Pivetta Opera One amplifiers for all channels, that are a mere $650,000 per pair:

http://www.higherfi.com/amplist/amplist.htm

They are now discounted to only $490,000 per pair, so now is the time to stock up for one's 9.2 system. You might want extras to power your mulitple subwoofers as well! Just think, if you bought 6 pairs to power all of your main channels and a few subwoofers, you would save $960,000. Just think of what you could do with all that money you would be saving! With saving almost a million dollars, how can you afford not to buy now?
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Owning a Yamaha and being compleltey satisfied with its amp capabiliites as well as its audio/video processing, I would recommend the Yamaha A3000
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
What, you want to recommend such cheap gear? How about Pivetta Opera One amplifiers for all channels, that are a mere $650,000 per pair:

http://www.higherfi.com/amplist/amplist.htm

They are now discounted to only $490,000 per pair, so now is the time to stock up for one's 9.2 system. You might want extras to power your mulitple subwoofers as well! Just think, if you bought 6 pairs to power all of your main channels and a few subwoofers, you would save $960,000. Just think of what you could do with all that money you would be saving! With saving almost a million dollars, how can you afford not to buy now?
Dude, he was on a budget. I went over his budget as it was. You gotta be more considerate.
 
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Lexluther

Audiophyte
OK great guys I got the picture now.

So lets focus on an AVR for around 1500 online price, used google shopping.

1) Pioneer sc-37 Retail 2199 online1325

2) Martantz SR-7005 retail 1599 online 1265

3) Yamaha a3000 Retail 1899 online 1430

I hear a lot on the Denon 3411 however I've been reading about the HDMI clipping issues. I think at this point with the receivers above being at roughly the same middle of the road price point I would fee comfortable being either. So which is the better unit?

I've read over the forum using search and there is a lot of tech talk but not sure how to apply that to my needs. Also seems the video and review done on the A3000 says its the unit to beat and is "leaps and bounds" "gold standard". What do you guys make of all that?

On the speakers I've received the message well and I am looking to see the best on-wall speakers I can find. What do you guys thing of the slim lines out there. I think Morel started it a few years back then Martin Logon appeared on the scene and now I see Definitive with their Mythos. Looks like 899 each tops the range there. So would that be 6 of those and a sub? Or perhaps something smaller cheaper for the rear as it is only rear fill at lower volume?

Looks like I blew getting this today and I hate doing that delaying my goals. I really want to buy this receiver tomorrow and perhaps pick up those Mythos on walls unless a better alternative can be found. What you guys think of the Martin Logan Fresco with Motion Fx surround? Or Morel Vario?

The thing is the room I am doing is the Master bedroom and I need the floor space so I need to use the walls. I also don't want to cut into the walls to do in-walls as I am planning to move and I have this Ralph Lauren suede textured walls paint and it would be difficult to re-insert the cut dry wall, support it, fill in the gaps and then make it match once I move to my new place, no? Well unless I just go over the whole room in white after the repairs. Are in-wall better then on wall in terms of the quality of speaker that can be purchased?

Thank guys for all your help and support!!
 
DenPureSound

DenPureSound

Senior Audioholic
Wow, that is a lot for an AVR -- I would go with the Denon A-100 Anniversary Edition MSRP = $2500, of course after I bought the speakers that I wanted (Klipsch -- [Grins]).

Then get an Emotiva XPA-2, and an XPA-5, and don't forget the APC Power Conditioner.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
What, you want to recommend such cheap gear? How about Pivetta Opera One amplifiers for all channels, that are a mere $650,000 per pair:

http://www.higherfi.com/amplist/amplist.htm

They are now discounted to only $490,000 per pair, so now is the time to stock up for one's 9.2 system. You might want extras to power your mulitple subwoofers as well! Just think, if you bought 6 pairs to power all of your main channels and a few subwoofers, you would save $960,000. Just think of what you could do with all that money you would be saving! With saving almost a million dollars, how can you afford not to buy now?
Dude, he was on a budget. I went over his budget as it was. You gotta be more considerate.
Yeah, that was just plain rude, Pyrrho!:D

Some of use can only afford $15K or at most $30K amps.:D

We work for a living you know?:eek:
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
1) Pioneer sc-37 Retail 2199 online1325

2) Martantz SR-7005 retail 1599 online 1265

3) Yamaha a3000 Retail 1899 online 1430
I don't think you will hear a difference, but I think the Pioneer and Yamaha will measure better than the Marantz.

I would get the Marantz since it is the least expensive. It also looks great aesthetically:D
 
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