help a newbie

[mr mac]

i am new at this. Am I right thinking that, for the same $199 price, the Yamaha is the better sub? Thanks in advance.

Klipsch KSW-10 10-Inch 225 Watt Subwoofer

Driver Units 10" down-firing fiber-composite cone
Power Rating 55 watts Continuous 225 watts Dynamic
Frequency Response 29Hz - 120Hz
Sensitivity 110dB SPL 1/8 space, 1 meter

YAMAHA SW315 10" 250W

Speakers Configuration 10" down-firing driver
Power Rating Built-in 250 Watt high power amplifier
Frequency Response 20Hz-160Hz
40Hz to 140Hz continuously variable high-cut filter
High cut slope:-24dB/octave
Volume control
Phase normal/reverse switch
BASS selector switch

 

[speakerman39]

i am new at this. Am I right thinking that, for the same $199 price, the Yamaha is the better sub? Thanks in advance.

Klipsch KSW-10 10-Inch 225 Watt Subwoofer

Driver Units 10" down-firing fiber-composite cone
Power Rating 55 watts Continuous 225 watts Dynamic
Frequency Response 29Hz - 120Hz
Sensitivity 110dB SPL 1/8 space, 1 meter

YAMAHA SW315 10" 250W

Speakers Configuration 10" down-firing driver
Power Rating Built-in 250 Watt high power amplifier
Frequency Response 20Hz-160Hz
40Hz to 140Hz continuously variable high-cut filter
High cut slope:-24dB/octave
Volume control
Phase normal/reverse switch
BASS selector switch

Hello, and welcome to the forum. Actually, in the price range you are mentioning most here say the 12" Dayton Sub is a much better buy. Here is a link:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-635

As such, I highly recommend that you take a good look at it. Good luck in your decision.



Cheers,

Phil

 

[mr mac]

can u elaborate? why is it better? this sub is only rated at 150Watts, vs the yamaha @ 250Watts (more power?). Is the 12" driver vs 10" driver the deciding factor? Any help is appreciated.

Hello, and welcome to the forum. Actually, in the price range you are mentioning most here say the 12" Dayton Sub is a much better buy. Here is a link:

As such, I highly recommend that you take a good look at it. Good luck in your decision.



Cheers,

Phil

 

[KEW]

Unfortunately the posted specifications are pretty much useless. Just giving a Watts number without specifying frequency, impedence, and duration means nothing.

The same is true for frequency response. What SPL tolerance is allowed when determining the frequency response? They don't say and we'd be pretty foolish to think the various manufacturers are consistent in these ratings. Basically they want them to look as good as they can get away with.

Watts output really is not comparable on subs because the sub's driver and design may require a ten-fold (or more) increase in power to achieve the same volume level as a more efficient design.

The recommendation of the Dayton is not coming from reading the specs, it is coming from people who have listened to them and feel they represent outstanding capability at a very good price.

 

[mr mac]

fair enough. so, all other things being equal, would you say that a 12" dayton is generally better than a 10" dayton? and conversely, is a 250w dayton better than a 125w dayton? without too much to go by at this stage (naive in this respect), i'm just trying to understand some parameters. obviously, in my case, comparing subs by listening to them is pretty much out of the question.

Unfortunately the posted specifications are pretty much useless. Just giving a Watts number without specifying frequency, impedence, and duration means nothing.

The same is true for frequency response. What SPL tolerance is allowed when determining the frequency response? They don't say and we'd be pretty foolish to think the various manufacturers are consistent in these ratings. Basically they want them to look as good as they can get away with.

Watts output really is not comparable on subs because the sub's driver and design may require a ten-fold (or more) increase in power to achieve the same volume level as a more efficient design.

The recommendation of the Dayton is not coming from reading the specs, it is coming from people who have listened to them and feel they represent outstanding capability at a very good price.

 

[rnatalli]

Dayton is your best bet under $200. If you can stretch, HSU offers the STF-1 at under $300 and often goes on sale.

 

[sholling]

Dayton is your best bet under $200. If you can stretch, HSU offers the STF-1 at under $300 and often goes on sale.

The STF-2 is on sale for $319 + S&H. If you can stretch your budget a bit it's a nice little sub.

 

[speakerman39]

Sometimes, Dr. Hsu will have a sub in the B-stock section for a very good price. As mentioned, the STF-2 sub is on sale for $319 and is one very nice sub. If you can wait and thus save up some more money, then the STF-2 would serve you well. Once again, good luck in making your decision.



Cheers,

Phil

 

[mr mac]

i appreciate everybody's advice. i have a new question and i'm still waiting for an answer to a previous question. i hope you don't mind my asking, even if they seem elementary to you:

is a dayton always a better choice, given similar specs from other manufacturers?

why are there 12" and 10" drivers? what is the advantage of a bigger (or smaller?) driver?

my knowledge of this field is very limited. thanks in advance for any and all replies.
cheers

Dayton is your best bet under $200. If you can stretch, HSU offers the STF-1 at under $300 and often goes on sale.

 

[zhimbo]

is a dayton always a better choice, given similar specs from other manufacturers?

At this price range (sub-$200), Daytons are probably the best option (based on general consensus opinion). Beyond this price range, options open up considerably.

why are there 12" and 10" drivers? what is the advantage of a bigger (or smaller?) driver?

A 12" can potentially give more output. Within a single manufacturer's line of similarly designed subs, it's a fairly safe bet that the larger driver will give more clean output. (among different manufacturers, or comparing ported vs. sealed design subs, or very different driver designs, that's a much less safe bet).

 

[speakerman39]

i appreciate everybody's advice. i have a new question and i'm still waiting for an answer to a previous question. i hope you don't mind my asking, even if they seem elementary to you:

is a dayton always a better choice, given similar specs from other manufacturers?

why are there 12" and 10" drivers? what is the advantage of a bigger (or smaller?) driver?

my knowledge of this field is very limited. thanks in advance for any and all replies.
cheers

First and foremost, let me applaud you for asking good questions. There is nothing wrong in making a well informed decision. In my book, I appreciate your tenacity is going about making the right choice given your budget constraints.

Generally speaking, a larger driver will be able to move more air thus resulting in greater output. The problem is, however, that there is no single defining way of rating subs. Some do a very good job of being honest, whereas others make theirs look good on paper albeit the specs. In other words, some manufacturers smaller subs will out perform other manufacturers larger subs. Why you ask? Because of using better quality drivers that are more linear by design, as well as, using top-notch parts and materials. It is all about the design and each has its trade-offs one way or another. A lesser powered sub may be more efficient than a higher powered sub and thus have more over all clean output. It all depends on the design of both the driver, amp, and enclosure which all plays a role in the over-all design.

Hope this helps. There are others here like Wmax that can explain this better than me. Feel free to send Chris a PM for further explanation. Good luck on your final decision.



Cheers,

Phil