HDTV and blueray / HD laugh

[Reorx]

Enjoy.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30780

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Good laugh. They needed another paragraph on HDMI 1.1 versus 1.3.

 

[westcott]

Enjoy.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30780

I like the authors sense of humor.

Too bad not everyone is laughing (those with DVI but no HDCP).

I especially like the "caving" and "put on ice" part .

 

[jaxvon]

It's funny, but the worst part is it's all true.

This whole DRM thing is BS. It assumes that all customers are guilty of piracy. Where the hell have our rights gone?

 

[BMXTRIX]

I definitely feel bad for people who have sets without HDMI or DVI/HDCP but there was good info out there two to three years ago that indicated that DVI should have HDCP for HD or they may not work. While it definitely is a pain, it should not be a suprise to anyone. It drives me nuts when a person drives right through a stop sign, then wonders why they are getting a ticket. The signs have been up for a while and people are complaining about their TVs not supporting what the industry has been saying they weren't going to support from the beginning.

I do find it amazing that, at this time, there is any content at all that will be available in HD over component. That's a big thumbs up in my book when compared to what was expected.

As far as the ICT... People are saying that it WILL be enabled in the future. No studios are saying that... just a bunch of rumors. Isn't the ICT all about piracy and protecting content from being grabbed over a digital connection and bootlegged? Well, if content never ends up being copied and bootlegged from the analog connections, then why would the ICT ever be turned on by studios? In fact, it goes against any business sense (read: $$$) to lock out people with older sets unless the component feed is specifically how people are pirating HD discs. Since, this is far less likely than your neighbors 12-year old kid figuring out how to beat HD disc encryption so that we can all properly cop... errr... backup our legally purchased HD discs digitally, I would think that component and analog copying would be a mostly trivial and worthless concern. ICT is more likely dead on arrival than anything else.

I'm also very unsure about the dual-format players. The article claims that 'there will be some'. I don't believe it. The licensing from one, or both camps, prohibits the competing technology in the same player. This may seem counter productive, but as long as one format believes that it can truly come out on top, and bury the other format (make it the new Beta) then why would it want a singular solution that helped the competing format to survive... let along thrive?

I personally will wait for both players and formats to come to market. I don't understand ANYONE who is getting one of these formats right from the beginning unless they have gobs of disposable income. Blu-ray and HD-DVD are neither proven formats. I will be getting a PS3 and using that for HD playback from the beginning, but I will refrain from a stand alone player for at least a year. That is the only thing that makes financial sense to me at all. Anyone betting on HD-DVD or Blu-ray surviving... or that dual format players will come to market ensuring their HD-DVD discs (or Blu-ray) will continue to be able to be played, even years from now, is taking a pretty big gamble.

All indications are that PS3 will put Blu-ray players, that WILL be used for movies, into about 10 times the number of homes as HD-DVD or stand alone Blu-ray players alone. Forget gaming - I'm talking about actual end users using the PS3 for movies. Forget game systems having poor disc quality - the PS3 WILL be used by people for HD movies.

 

[Naves74]

All indications are that PS3 will put Blu-ray players, that WILL be used for movies, into about 10 times the number of homes as HD-DVD or stand alone Blu-ray players alone.

Amen. This whole issue will not be decided by the minute percent of the actual public (us), it will be decided by average joe blow and his willingness to buy an expensive player because the movies are 'perdy'. Who among us thinks that our friends that arent into HI-FI will go out and buy a HDTV let alone a HD-DVD or BlueRay player. You are talking over $3,000 for the whole set up. I do however think that both HD disc formats have a way better chance than SACD or DVDA just because of the fact that it is "cooler" to have a big tv than a nice audio system. Alot of people I know would come over to my house and few would say man I really want a audio system like this, but when I got my TV thier was instant fan fair. Everyone wants their plasma TVs that they see on tv and in movies so they will need thier fancy dancy dvd player that can impress thier friends.

Me peronsally, I will be buying an Oppo dvd player for my 480i dvd's because I dont want a thousand dollar paper weight.

 

[westcott]

The reason piracy is taken so seriously is because of our Asian neighbors. Now, I am not trying to be a racist or anything, but they are the ones the studios are worried about. You can walk into any big store in China and buy illegal software. They will burn it while you wait. Piracy is about 90% in Asia and that is why piracy is such a concern. In the states, it is only about 20%. They are not implementing HDCP or ICT token for us specificallly, it is all the other countries that concern movie makers. This also may explain why all the first releases are movies that the industry can afford to have copied (read as marginal popularitiy movies) via analog connections and why no high resolution releases in 1080p are available yet, if ever.

But, I am with the rest of you. I will wait until native 1080p films are released and both players have been released that support 1080p. Who knows, maybe by then I can download it directly to my computer and burn it. I may even wait until one format wins over the other or a combo player is made that can perform at the same level as existing DVD players.

The ICT token is the Ace in the Hole for the studios. It can be placed on the HD disk or left off, depending on the heat the studios face as this cluster f!@#$% is released.

 

[Reorx]

What makes me girl giggle is the fact that the studios actually think that ICT / HDCP is going to actually stop hackers. They are already laughing at the challenge, and eagerly waiting for HD movies to come out.

Realistically, it'll take them at most 6-12 months to crack it, and find a working way around it.

Just like how DeCSS broke DVD's copyright protection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS
I read somewhere that China is pumping out anywhere from 200k-400k PHD's in each discipline per year...Mathmatics, Physics, and Computer Science. This is much more then the US. Maybe they'll be the 1st ones to crack it or all 100million of the programmers from India.

Question: What about people who purchase a HD camcorder, and make home video's. Are they going to be limited to DVD quality or will they be able to burn to BD / HD and watch it in their BD/HD players on their HDTV?

 

[westcott]

What makes me girl giggle is the fact that the studios actually think that ICT / HDCP is going to actually stop hackers. They are already laughing at the challenge, and eagerly waiting for HD movies to come out.

Realistically, it'll take them at most 6-12 months to crack it, and find a working way around it.

Just like how DeCSS broke DVD's copyright protection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS
I read somewhere that China is pumping out anywhere from 200k-400k PHD's in each discipline per year...Mathmatics, Physics, and Computer Science. This is much more then the US. Maybe they'll be the 1st ones to crack it or all 100million of the programmers from India.

Question: What about people who purchase a HD camcorder, and make home video's. Are they going to be limited to DVD quality or will they be able to burn to BD / HD and watch it in their BD/HD players on their HDTV?

Camcorders are not something I do a lot of research on but if I had to guess, the material would have to be played via a digital connection but I doubt the resolution would be restricted because I doubt anyone would use, know how, or want to insert an ICT token on a disk they burn for personal content. This is only a guess but a great question.

 

[Pyrrho]

What makes me girl giggle is the fact that the studios actually think that ICT / HDCP is going to actually stop hackers. They are already laughing at the challenge, and eagerly waiting for HD movies to come out.

Realistically, it'll take them at most 6-12 months to crack it, and find a working way around it.

Just like how DeCSS broke DVD's copyright protection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS
I read somewhere that China is pumping out anywhere from 200k-400k PHD's in each discipline per year...Mathmatics, Physics, and Computer Science. This is much more then the US. Maybe they'll be the 1st ones to crack it or all 100million of the programmers from India.

Question: What about people who purchase a HD camcorder, and make home video's. Are they going to be limited to DVD quality or will they be able to burn to BD / HD and watch it in their BD/HD players on their HDTV?

Unless they are total morons (which is a real possibility), the real reason why they want the copy protection is to stop you from making a legal backup copy. That way, if you scratch your disc, you have to buy a new one. However, that is not a legal* reason for them to do such a thing (because its purpose is to stop you from exercising your legal rights), so they lie and say it is to stop bootleggers. However, they will not stop serious bootleggers with copy protection, and no person of sense will ever believe that such a thing could ever work. After all, if it is impossible for the information to be extracted, you cannot watch it. So it must be possible to get the high definition content off of the disc; it is just a matter of figuring out how to do it.
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*Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and the above should not be construed as legal advice. Laws vary from place to place, so for legal advice, consult a qualified professional for your area.

 

[ian1386]

This upsets me...my TV doesn't have hdmi or dvi...

I just bought the TV new about 6 months ago, but it was cheap...$875 cdn. I'm a student, and even though it doesn't have hdmi/dvi, and it's a massive old CRT projection, I jumped at the fact that I could get 51" hdtv for $875 cdn.

Oh well...seeing as blu-ray disc players themselves cost more than my TV did, i'm not REALLY that surprised...

 

[BMXTRIX]

Oh well...seeing as blu-ray disc players themselves cost more than my TV did, i'm not REALLY that surprised...

Please don't confuse people by just saying Blu-ray... The ICT is implemented in both Blu-ray and HD-DVD players and studios, if they implement the ICT will do so on discs they make for both Blu-ray and HD-DVD.

Keep in mind that this was 100% expected about 3+ years ago. It just amazes me when people are surprised at all by the ICT. Actually, in many ways it is surprising considering that it was actually expected that no HD content at all was expected to be allowed over analog connections.

Ah well... as you said, it requires the purchase of a HD player of 500 bucks or more to get any of this stuff and nothing is even available yet.

 

[dreamcatcher17]

whats the difference ?

what is the difference between HDMI 1.1 & HDMI 1.3 ????
I thought they all can allow hd to pass through...


my 2nd question is----- when installing 6 in-ceiling speakers into a very small bar
area,,, would it be better to use a 2 channel stereo reciever with a switcher
to control speaker vol for all 6 speakers ?

Or--- will it be better to use a 7.1 reciever and run it in all channel stereo
format giving all speakers the same power output,, and using the reciever to
control volume... wich is the better hookup ? 2 channel or 7.1 all channel stereo ?
and wich set-up will sound better ?

thanks !

jay g

 

[BMXTRIX]

what is the difference between HDMI 1.1 & HDMI 1.3 ????
I thought they all can allow hd to pass through...

1.3 will include several enhancements, perhaps most notably will be the specification for the new HD audio formats from Dolby and DTS.

my 2nd question is----- when installing 6 in-ceiling speakers into a very small bar
area, would it be better to use a 2 channel stereo reciever with a switcher
to control speaker vol for all 6 speakers ?

Or--- will it be better to use a 7.1 reciever and run it in all channel stereo
format giving all speakers the same power output,, and using the reciever to
control volume... wich is the better hookup ? 2 channel or 7.1 all channel stereo ?
and wich set-up will sound better ?

I would use a 7.1 stereo receiver and put the receiver in 7.1 stereo mode. I assume you aren't setting the bar area up for proper surround, so this is a very good way to go instead.