HDMI 1.4 Ethernet Channel (HEC) Ready HDTV's

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jmsalt1

Enthusiast
I'm getting ready to purchase an HDTV for my basement and would like to buy an HDTV that has the latest HDMI 1.4 or 1.4a spec. and has also incorporated the latest ethernet via HDMI technology as part of that spec. I really would like to just run the single ethernet cable from my AVR (will be a Denon 4311 CI) to the HDTV but can't seem to locate any TV's on the market that are there yet. Did I miss something or are the HDTV's a model upgrade or two away from this? Maybe there will be some revealed at CEDIA next week. Can anyone shed some light on this? From what I can tell, none of the big names like Samsung, Sony and Panasonic have added this functionality yet.
 
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jmsalt1

Enthusiast
Did some research myself since no one replied....

What I found is that at this time, no one is making equipment that takes advantage of the HDMI 1.4 HEC functionality unless you want to count the cables themselves. Called Denon CS and they confirmed that even their latest AVR's do not take advantage of HEC. I asked if the 4311 CI could be upgraded later via firmware to handle HEC and couldn't get a firm answer from the person I spoke with but they seemed to be leaning toward no. It sounds like hardware changes would be involved but folks that know networking better than myself could probably shed some light on this. It seems to me that hardware changes would be involved.

Maybe at the CES in January we'll see some announcements.

There is another thread here that talks in more detail about the in's & out's of the networking questions involved. You'll see folks on both sides of the argument regarding the usefulness of HEC.

If anyone would like to comment I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say.
 
gonk

gonk

Full Audioholic
When HDMI v1.4 was published, the Ethernet component seemed really loosely defined. I never found anything that clearly explained how they planned to implement it. Presumably, you need one HDMI v1.4 component that offers a network connection and a network hub/switch to support Ethernet over HDMI with other devices. Was that going to be the surround receiver (which some users might not have) or the TV (which anybody using HDMI will have)? Or was it going to be wherever manufacturers decided to put it, with some way to identify a "hub" device? I still haven't seen much on how this will be implemented, but if the details of the spec are as vague as they seemed from where I sit, I could see manufacturers electing not to invest engineering resources in it.

It doesn't do much for you in your search for equipment that supports it, but I've been skeptical of the actual value of Ethernet over HDMI. First reason I'm skeptical: does your TV need a network connection? Some are offering streaming service and stuff like Facebook and Twitter support, but we're also seeing streaming services supported in Blu-ray players and surround receivers. Second reason I'm skeptical: how eager are we to replace our entire signal path to help eliminate a network cable or two? Let's say your receiver, BD player, and TV all have network connections that you want to use (firmware updates, streaming services, and a way to tweet "I'm tweeting from my TV"). You can replace all three of those devices (two of which are going to be among the most expensive components in a typical home theater) and have a single network cable, or you can keep the three you already have and have three network cables.
 
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jmsalt1

Enthusiast
Gonk,

I agree, I wouldn't blow up my existing system for this functionality running out to replace perfectly good gear but if you are at a point where you need a new AVR to set up a system like I am, I was thinking it would be nice to have this as part of the package if we were only months away from seeing it come to market.


Bandphan,

Really? I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony be the first to get HEC out there in their products. Hadn't seen anything yet but maybe I missed an announcement from them. Can you post a link?

Thanks guys.
 
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