Getting my dad setup, small budget.

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Helltech

Audiophyte
Hey guys! Was looking around these forums and decided to make an account here, everyone seem pretty knowledgeable so I thought this would be a good place to start. Honestly it seems like all advice here is super high-end and enthusiast oriented so I hope you won't find my question out of place. Anyway my dad has had the same speakers and reciever for years and years and years, they worked great fine for what he needed. But a storm killed them. Hes on a $250 dollar budget. He went to Best Buy and the guy told him to get Samsung HT-4500 500w for 215 bucks. Well he went looking around online after buying it and quickly found out he could get the Samsung HT4100 1000w for the same price and took it back. Then he asked me for help. Well I'm going to be honest, I'm a head-fi guy. I don't have a home theater setup, I have a headphone and computer setup, but he asked me regardless because he knew I dumped thousands into that. I really don't know much about home theater at all. He likes his speakers, and doesn't need a BluRay player or any of that stuff. He just need a good subwoofer and a receiver for about 250 bucks (closer to 200 without killer performance would be awesome). He doesn't need all that fancy stuff (he doesn't even have internet). His TV is a Visio E471VLE, and he has 2 channel Polk Audio speakers (I don't know the exact ones, but they don't need to be replaced they have a good enough sound for him). Primary use is TV and Movies 90 percent, and 10 percent music. I honestly can't shake him off the "but its 1000w where else am I going to get 1000w for that price".

I was looking at a mixture of these, but I don't even know if they will work together or hook up to his TV easily. I really could do a bunch of research but I figure I'd ask the experts. Tell me what you guys think. Was looking at;

Onkyo TX-8020
Yamaha R-S202BL

and

Yamaha YST-SW012

But like I said, I have no idea if those are easily compatible, or even good, or if they would hook up to his TV easily. Appreciate the help!
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Knowing which Polk speakers he currently has would be helpful. He wants a 5.1 setup? Budget is low for a decent 5.1 outside of an HTIB like the folk are BB are pushing (I'd not go with Samsung personally at all except maybe for a tv). He has a tv with hdmi capabilities, is he using OTA reception or sat or cable?

He should look at multi-ch avrs, not stereo receivers. He may not need all the bells and whistles but they have superior features to those stereo units and economies of scale. Budget avrs at accessories4less.com can be had. At the least for the bass management for the sub, an avr is way better than the stereo receivers that don't have any. He can always use the 2 speakers with a sub (2.1) and build up from there, but 3.1 probably a better start.

Any chance on a bit better budget? Help out the old man if you've sunk thousands into headphones! :)

The Yamaha 8" sub isn't much of a sub to me, I'd rather have something from Dayton at the low end of the price range (parts-express.com is a good place to start).

PS comparing these fake added up "watt numbers" for the receiver is meaningless, let alone the wattage ratings for speakers. Total sales garbage on the receivers and often not much more meaningful for speakers without consideration of specs that mean more. Look at the actual specs, not what the marketing/sales folk did....
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
With that budget you might be able to squeeze in an entry level receiver and a modest sub.

That would men forgoing the additional speakers for now but, with an AVR, you can add them in the future when money is more available.

This will blow the pants off an HTIB, even in two channel mode.

so, ya wanna talk?
 
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Helltech

Audiophyte
Knowing which Polk speakers he currently has would be helpful. He wants a 5.1 setup? Budget is low for a decent 5.1 outside of an HTIB like the folk are BB are pushing (I'd not go with Samsung personally at all except maybe for a tv). He has a tv with hdmi capabilities, is he using OTA reception or sat or cable?

He should look at multi-ch avrs, not stereo receivers. He may not need all the bells and whistles but they have superior features to those stereo units and economies of scale. Budget avrs at accessories4less.com can be had. At the least for the bass management for the sub, an avr is way better than the stereo receivers that don't have any. He can always use the 2 speakers with a sub (2.1) and build up from there, but 3.1 probably a better start.

Any chance on a bit better budget? Help out the old man if you've sunk thousands into headphones! :)

The Yamaha 8" sub isn't much of a sub to me, I'd rather have something from Dayton at the low end of the price range (parts-express.com is a good place to start).

PS comparing these fake added up "watt numbers" for the receiver is meaningless, let alone the wattage ratings for speakers. Total sales garbage on the receivers and often not much more meaningful for speakers without consideration of specs that mean more. Look at the actual specs, not what the marketing/sales folk did....
No he doesn't want 5.1, just 2.1. He has satellite, Dish. Budget is set at 250, and wants it lower if possible. And yeah, I know about the wattage thing, when I showed him the receivers I picked out is when he brought that up, ha.

Dayton Sub1200 + 2nd hand multi-channel Denon/Marantz/Yamaha AVR for $50-100 and your dad is set
http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-1200-12-120-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-629

If you provide as with your approximate location (nearest large city) we could help you find something on Craigslist

Just an example:
https://cnj.craigslist.org/ele/5650151147.html
Northwest Indiana is what we set Craigslist to. But even then, we live in the boonies.

With that budget you might be able to squeeze in an entry level receiver and a modest sub.

That would men forgoing the additional speakers for now but, with an AVR, you can add them in the future when money is more available.

This will blow the pants off an HTIB, even in two channel mode.

so, ya wanna talk?
He doesn't want additional speakers, just a sub and something to power his two little polks and that sub.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
You seem pretty well set on what you want. I'll just try to point you in the right direction.

Amazon is a good source of receivers, both two channel and multi channel AVR's

If you don't mind a good quality refurb, many of us have had good luck with this place.

http://www.accessories4less.com/

I'd suggest any sub from here. Pick the biggest one that fits your price range.

http://www.parts-express.com/cat/powered-subwoofers/95

Both places ship.

OK, now it's all up to you. Play mix and match with subs and receivers. Let us know what you decide BEFORE you buy and we'll offer our opinion.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
The cheapest few AVRs (multi-ch) from accessories4less will work fine, they even have the slightly larger Yahama sub in the 10" driver size for the same price as your previous link. Good outfit to deal with, altho refurbs are factory refurbs and they do get some bad ones but deal with it very well IME.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
we seriously live like an hour away from any city and even then i rarely see that city on craigs. are either of those avr i listed decent?
I live out in the boonies myself, always internet shop. You listed avrs? I saw two stereo 2.0 units. Not same capabilities for subs, let alone video, but your dad may not care, you still haven't been very specific about connections, or what the last unit setup was. They should work fine but with less overall capabilities, particularly for a sub and hd video/sound.
 
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Helltech

Audiophyte
I live out in the boonies myself, always internet shop. You listed avrs? I saw two stereo 2.0 units. Not same capabilities for subs, let alone video, but your dad may not care, you still haven't been very specific about connections, or what the last unit setup was. They should work fine but with less overall capabilities, particularly for a sub and hd video/sound.
oh sorry i dont even know the difference i guess? i listed the tv he has...he just needs sound from that to his polk speakers and a new sub (that also doesnt work now)
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
funny. I just bought a Vizio 55" set myself. they lend themselves well to this application. They have an audio out and you can use the menu to turn the speakers off and use the output as either fixed or variable.

Offhand, I'd say this gives the best bang for the buck. One of these...

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/yamrs201bl/yamaha-r-s201-2-ch-x-100-watts-natural-sound-stereo-receiver/1.html

It's got four line level inputs, which ae quite handy.

and one of these.

http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-1200-12-120-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-629

You would use the speaker level inputs to the sub.

Actually, I just bought both within the last 6 months and don't regret it. I reviewed them both somewhere towards the end of this thread.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/what-new-stuff-have-you-bought-if-you-care-to-share-thead.86935/

workin' great with the Vizio.
 
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ManBarra

ManBarra

Enthusiast
accessories4less.com - most the receivers are refurbs and will have 1 year manufacturer warranty followed by an additional 2 year third party warranty
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
If you're considering used, make DANG sure it comes with a remote. Things an go south very quickly when one finds there are some functions you absotively, posilutely need a remote to accomplish.

Also, the setup mic, if it needs one, is nice, too. ..and a manual doesn't hurt but many can be found on line..
 
KenM10759

KenM10759

Audioholic Ninja
For my guest room 5.1 system I grabbed a similar Pioneer VSX530K receiver as an open box special from the local Best Buy for $200, a pair of used Ascend Acoustics CBM170-SE speakers off Craigslist for $60, a used BIC F12 subwoofer for $120 (also Craigslist) and a barely (if at all) used Martin Logan Motion C center speaker for $100 from a local hi-fi shop. I use a pair of old Infinity bookshelf speakers I had kicking around here for surrounds. The deals are out there, this sounds far more expensive than it is.

I realize your dad's budget and don't know your situation, but will say that if it were me I would be doing some gift giving for a family member that I love. I have done this for my two sons and a niece and it feels good. I did it because I'd rather see them have something that sounds better and make them happier than to see them using low level stuff that frustrates.
 
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Irishman

Audioholic
For a bottom-feeder cheap sub, I've read nice things about the Monoprice 9723. Then shop Craigslist an AVR and you're golden.
I can vouch for the Monoprice 9723. I have one in my HT setup. (Bonus room measuring about 16'x19'x8'). The only thing it can't do in my room is provide that really low, kick me in the chest extension that more pricier subs can give.

Otherwise, it's a great built, great performing sub.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I honestly can't shake him off the "but its 1000w where else am I going to get 1000w for that price".
This link may be useful:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_power

In particular, read the sections with headings of "Peak Power" and "Total System Power".
Probably most relevant is this excerpt from "Total System Power"
In some cases, an audio device may be measured by the total system power of all its loudspeakers by adding all their peak power ratings. Many home theater in a box systems are rated this way. Often low-end home theater systems' power ratings are taken at a high level of harmonic distortion as well; as high as 10%, which would be noticeable.[9]
So, 1000W it is not the power output from the amplifier, but how much power the speakers can handle for a very brief period of time. A micro-second? A nano-second? It is really a worthless specification because there are no standards for how long the power is sustained.

If this info is too confusing for him, Just go to BestBuy (or Walmart) and have him pick up one of the 500W to 1000W HTiB units. (The samsung 4100 weighs in at 4.2 pounds, which includes the bluray/DVD player!). Next have him pick up one of the real AVR's rated at 60-80 watts RMS (continuous) per channel. No old-timer I have ever met would go with the idea that the compact and ultra-light Samsung would have greater power output than a reasonably hefty receiver (generally at least 17 pounds) once they have actually seen and held them!
 

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