Gene.. What is meant by "A" weighting

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<font color='#000000'>I thought I would open a new post and leave the Outlaw/Seperates post alone for awhile
&nbsp; seeing &nbsp;as this is more of a technical question

What exactly does &quot;A&quot; weighting mean? Other there others that may be used in describing S/N &nbsp;.</font>
 
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greatlakesike

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<font color='#000000'>If I may be so bold as to toss in my 2 cents here, I do have some background in the acoustics area of engineering and will try to offer somewhat of a &quot;layman's&quot; explanation of A-weighting.

First, it's important to realize that the human ear is really a filter of sorts. &nbsp;That is, a 70dB sound at 500 Hz will not sound as loud to a human listener as a 70dB sound at 2000 Hz. So the ear mechanism conveys sounds (to the brain) differently depending on the frequency of the sound being heard.

So, some 50 years ago (or more? I can't recall exactly without looking it up in my reference material), a listening study was conducted that attempted to define this filter effect of the human ear. A large number of quite young men (I believe late teens to early twenties, if memory serves, and no I don't recall that women were included) were tested to determine their threshold (in dB) of hearing over the entire audible frequency spectrum. &nbsp;

I mention that youngsters were the subjects of the study because the expectation was that their hearing would still be excellent at their young age, thus providing as accurate of a measure of human hearing as possible. (Nowadays, they might need to solicit the involvement of even younger people to ensure that their hearing would still be considered excellent!)

The resulting graph of average threshold dB became the A-weight filter, which can be considered a fair approximation of the human ear &quot;filter&quot;. Thus, an A-weighted dB level should more accurately describe how a human ear would perceive the &quot;loudness&quot; of a given sound than an unweighted, &quot;straight&quot; dB level.

Subsequently, many other studies have been conducted with the resulting dB-B, dB-C and other weightings, but that old dB-A weighting is still in very wide use today.</font>
 
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<font color='#000000'>Thanks for all the info. Now I understand. &nbsp;This leads me to another question.
Because the human ear perceives the frequencies differently, is a 100db (Just pickin that number because it is loud) &nbsp; 5 Khz signal more damaging on the ears then a 100db signal at 50Hz?</font>
 
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greatlakesike

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<font color='#000000'>The short answer to this question is &quot;I don't know&quot;, as it falls into the realm more familiar to MD's than engineers. &nbsp;However, very roughly speaking, the inner mechanism of the ear includes minute little hairs that convey sound waves to nerves that send signals to the brain. My understanding is that these hairs can (and do) get damaged by high sound levels, resulting in hearing loss at whatever frequencies the sound levels were too high to handle. I would guess that this type of hearing loss can occur anywhere within the audible range of frequencies, but I'm now at (or beyond!) my knowledge limit on physiology so at this point I'll defer to any doctors in the audience.</font>
 
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gene

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<font color='#000000'>Guys;

Take a look at one of cable articles which talks about the Fletcher &amp; Munson Curve and human hearing.

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greatlakesike

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<font color='#000000'>Spot on, Gene. &nbsp;And to further a point made in your linked article, I believe most modern-day human adults actually cannot hear much above 10kHz (if that high) let alone 20kHz.</font>
 
<font color='#000080'>My wife hears our 15kHz television whine... Since I'm supposed to be the audiophile in the house, this really gets to me... &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;I stopped hearing it somewhere around 1991.</font>
 
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gene

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<font color='#000000'>In actuality according to statistical data I have seen, women generally have better hearing then men. &nbsp;So where are all the women audiophiles
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Dan Banquer

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<font color='#000000'>The women are obviously letting the men play with their toys.
I also find it unfortunate that more women are not more involved in Audio and Home Theater. Their better high frequency hearing could definetly help us.  
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PaulF

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<font color='#000000'><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My wife hears our 15kHz television whine... Since I'm supposed to be the audiophile in the house, this really gets to me... &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;I stopped hearing it somewhere around 1991.</td></tr></table>

I used to hear this all the time when I was a kid. Now for the most part I don't unless I'm real close to the tv, and I'm glad. It made watching tv difficult. Now my tv buzzes when there's a bright scene. It will be a long time before I stop hearing that.</font>
 
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Because the human ear perceives the frequencies differently, is a 100db (Just pickin that number because it is loud) &nbsp; 5 Khz signal more damaging on the ears then a 100db signal at 50Hz?

I believe that you are correct. &nbsp;According to the Tom from SV Subwoofer, the Dolby Lab's standard is 25Hz at 120+dB. &nbsp;My inital reaction was that wouldn't this be considered Dangerous Decibel as such website posted at 115dB, exposure time was only 30 seconds. I asked Tom, and he replied that Dobly Lab would face many law suits had I been correct. &nbsp;The truth was that our ears could not listen anything below 20Hz. &nbsp;Since 25 Hz was near the end of the spectrum, playing @ 120+dB, &nbsp;our neighbors were more likely to experience an earthquake with magnitured of 8.2 rather than to knock our doors down and make us read their lips.</font>
 
Yamahaluver

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hawke : <font color='#000000'>My wife hears our 15kHz television whine... Since I'm supposed to be the audiophile in the house, this really gets to me...    
   I stopped hearing it somewhere around 1991.</font>
<font color='#0000FF'>Last test done on me at J.W. Manny in NYC yeilded 25KHz for upper limit and 19Hz for lower confirming my vampire heritage. Lack of virgin blood probably impaired my ability a bit.
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