Food, Food Safety and Recipes

psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
Instead of going off topic and out right hijacking other threads, I thought it was time we had a dedicated food thread.

Post anything food related here; food safety issues, Monsanto's crimes against nature, your favorite recipes and organic vs. natural or anything else food related.


A list of the dirty dozen includes fruits and vegetables with high amounts of residual pesticides and fungicides. The list includes, Apples, celery, and bell peppers.

EWG's 2012 Shopper's Guide to Pesticides in Produce

And a recipe for incredibly easy home made pizza:

My wife and I made this last weekend and it was very good. We used uncured pepperoni, organic mushrooms, and organic artichoke hearts with fresh mozzarella.

The Secret to Incredibly Easy Homemade Pizza - Real Food - MOTHER EARTH NEWS
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

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Lots of looks but no posts yet.
I guess they're busy posting pictures of their cats on reddit.:rolleyes:
:D
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I appreciate the heads up on the apples.

I've been scoring sea food from a wholesaler up in Boston for a couple of weeks now.

That reminds me that I should place another order today.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
Anyone know how effective washing fruits and veggies is in removing pesticide residues? I imagine it would depend on the type of produce, i.e. bell peppers are easier to wash than strawberries. But, does some of the residue get absorbed by the plant, rendering washing ineffective?

We don't buy much organic, but we always wash our produce as best we can. I just wonder if it accomplishes much?:confused:
 
psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
Anyone know how effective washing fruits and veggies is in removing pesticide residues? I imagine it would depend on the type of produce, i.e. bell peppers are easier to wash than strawberries. But, does some of the residue get absorbed by the plant, rendering washing ineffective?

We don't buy much organic, but we always wash our produce as best we can. I just wonder if it accomplishes much?:confused:
I'm not sure. My rule is, if it can be peeled, I peel it. Even organic fruit and vegetables. I use kosher salt as a scrub. I don't know it does anything, but it makes me feel better.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
I did a bit of research after that post and from what I gather, you can significantly reduce residue by washing with a cleaning solution (not plain water), which we do, but you won't get it all off. A small amount can be absorbed into the flesh and you're not going to get that off, unless you peel.:(

Some say that pesticide residue remaining on produce is so minute that we don't need to worry about it, but i ain't so sure...
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Hi, I guess it’s time for another cameo post that is as long as a novel from me. (Holy crap, I typed out enough that it must be split into three posts! Maybe I can fit it into two . . . no apparently not.)

I’ve been recently very interested in food and drink! I’ll share my tidbits on food safety first, if only because I can get through the little of what I know more quickly. My personal habits: I dedicate my cutting boards (and have a strong preference for the biggest ones I can possibly find, and I also like bamboo for its hardness as well, even if it's tougher on knives). I have dedicated particular boards to 1) meat 2) veggies 3) onion/garlic/ginger, and the others include general purpose, a huge one for those particular occasions, a slotted bread board, a plastic one that folds with two creases for easy dumping into pots, etc. While I do have a meat board, I do almost all my chicken work in the left side of the kitchen sink (I pretty much exclusively buy whole chickens vacuum sealed in 2-packs; and for those that don’t know, get the smallest/youngest/tenderest; I shop by date first, and then of those remaining, I buy the pack with lowest weight/cost). I use gloves often, and have both food grade vinyl and nitrile gloves sitting in a drawer nearby. For cleaning the sink in particular, after chicken in particular, I will rinse, spray undiluted white vinegar to sit for a while, rinse, and soap it down for good measure. I’ve done bleach in the past, but it’s pretty offensive, and is so not food grade. For cutting boards I’ve done both IPA and vinegar, but I tend towards vinegar for so many things now (all of these spray bottles sit below the sink). The one thing that I can’t use vinegar on is granite, due to such high acidity, and I use IPA there. (Some people use window cleaner.) For that matter, I keep anything acidic away from granite, including lemon juice. While more of a care issue, I don’t keep up with mineral oil/wax as much as I should, though I am good about “seasoning” them or whatever the proper term is.

Wherever the above might be, between minimal and overkill, I feel pretty strongly that you will get sick at a restaurant before at my place. The stress, the speed, the amount of dishes being made, oh how long were these raw eggs sitting out for, stuff like that make restaurants more risky IMO. Yes, there are rules, but how well are they followed.

The danger zone temperature range is a really, really big temp range. The “clock” on certain foods is not “resettable”. What that means is that if a certain food can have a 3 hour window in the zone, and was already out for an hour, and if you fridge it overnight and bring it out again, you still only have 2 hours left. 3 hours is just an example, because bacteria can literally double within minutes, given the right circumstances. I learned about this from The Professional Chef, a pretty cool +1000 page reference book for food. It’s not nearly as practical as my Brown books, but I’m glad I have it.

Alton Brown says anti bacterial soap doesn’t do anything more than regular soap. However, I realize that he probably has in mind only the proper technique, which is something like hot water, all the way up to the forearms, for something like 30 seconds? I often don’t have hot water (because I don’t want to waste/wait), almost never go a full 30 seconds, and don’t go to the forearms, except only occasionally after handling chicken.

I use a Kitchen Aid probe thermometer for cooking meats. Super duper handy, it can for the beginner turn a perhaps daunting recipe into something very easy; throw it in and wait for the alarm. Chicken, I stick it to the inner thigh, but not touching bone, I set it for 165. (Now, certain "very safe" references might say as high as 180, but that's just overcooked IMO; for that matter it's the same for pork, I forget how high, but AB will call for 145 in one recipe, and Keller goes significanlty lower than that; they know meat still continues to cook during the rest period). I’m a fan of low temp, slow roasts. I have many thermometers, a frying/liquid one, and I think I have 3 of them in the fridge (huge discrepancy between readings, unfortunately, I get what I pay for sometimes). I have about a 10 degree difference between the top/bottom shelves, and 7 degrees between top and bottom door shelves. I also have an instant read IR thermometer gun.

I date many things in my fridge, with a Sharpie. Often times it’s for freshness, but it’s also often for safety.

Something that you’ll almost never see in a home, but is commonplace in a restaurant, is an ice bath, to get something out of the danger zone as quickly as possible, while also not throwing your fridge (and perhaps everything else in there) into shock. I’ve done it a few times with a particular dish I like to make. While I don’t need to for the dishes I usually make, others use ice baths to instantly stop the cooking process for certain things.

Meat, well at least beef, should be kept between 32-36 F, according to The Professional Chef. Alton Brown seems to ask for the upper range of that when dry aging. Home dry aging is a real PITA for reasons I may or may not get into, but it does make the cost of the meat about 50% less this way, at least for me. Ok, I think I’m done with my safety jive.

The Food! Yes, Food!

I’ve already mentioned Alton Brown a couple of times, but the two books of his I have are great, I’m Just Here For The Food V2.0, and Good Eats The Later Years (I prefer this one). BTW, you can find just about any Good Eats recipe online, since they've aired already, but not so much with the former book. (I haven’t had cable TV in many years, but have seen some of his episodes, and I can tell you it is certainly easier following a recipe with a book than from a show.) I don’t like everything I’ve tried, but when he nails it he just really nails it. I have even been surprised by the smallest/easiest things like his sherry vinegar sardine toast. I also enjoy that he does include some cocktails (if only the most well known), even some heavy duty punches. I’ve done his blueberry soda recipe too, it’s yum yum. (I rinsed the cheesecloth so many times before using, but I’m not sure what the best/easiest method for that is, maybe someone here has a tip for me.) Anyway, what’s great is that his recipes are generally easy for the tastiness. The parts lists, for example, are always in whole integers it seems, whether 1 this, 2 that, 3 there. He divides things into “hardware” (the tools), and “software” (the ingredients). The trivia is frickin’ great, I could type out a lot lot lot of it (Kingsford was Henry Ford’s buddy, and the old Model Ts had a roof made with wood supports, and they didn’t know what to do with the scraps until they made BBQ briquettes with them; Tampa Bay Bucs are named after island natives who made enjoyed cooking barbacoa and allegedly were catching the pigs that escaped Columbus’ ship; Weber grills were first designed using marine buoys), and his humor gets me often. OTOH, with Julia Child, the text might only be 1 page, but it still will take 4 hours to do; blanch tomatoes for exactly 10 seconds before hand peeling and deseeding; hand dry each and every small segment of eggplant individually with paper towels; stuff like that.

Otherwise, I grab other recipes off the internet. I did just recently acquire Keller’s Ad Hoc, and I’m glad it’s “for the home” and so far it seems quite promising. Yes, I found the French Laundry book to be pretty cool . . . but you know what, the Eleven Madison Park book is FREAKING GORGEOUS. But unfortunately, it’s probably rather useless to me for the most part, and so I didn’t pick it up, at least not yet. I don't feel like making recipes for ingredients towards a larger mothership main recipe, or do sous vide anytime soon, or anything like that. I’ve read mixed reviews on the Volt book.

I am very lucky to have a particular food mentor. He teaches wilderness/nature stuff to home schooled kids, and in my mind he is *the* survivalist. He’s tracked a number of animals, stuff like that, and is just a cool dude. Ok, what gets me though is his insane knowledge of vegetation, how to grow and care for them, food products in general, and how they’re made (not so much the cooking as how things are cultivated or processed before they are put on shelves). Anyway, what I really wanted to say is that I advise trying to find a good and willing food mentor, and the more the merrier. My mom and brother have definitely been good food mentors to me as well. In a short time, I have gone from being a ho-hum cook, to being one of the better cooks my friends and family might now. It’s actually not very hard at all. Though there is a learning curve on many things (particularly chopping things, or how to store a variety of vegetables, things like that; for example I keep potatoes in the dark, single layer, spaced out), it’s simply a matter of time, and finding your own ways and tastes. Hm potatoes, oh yeah, I hear it’s with these you really want organic. Supposedly the farmers of non-organic potatoes won’t even eat their own stuff as they know what’s going on, and search out organic ones elsewhere. I’m glad to see watermelons don’t have to be organic in the OP’s linky, because in my limited shopping experiences with them, there is a very large price difference, maybe double.

Anyway, here is some (“fried” according to AB) chicken in garlic and shallots, French style, where it’s been browned, just about to be put in the oven. He is a bigger fan of this recipe than I am, I think it’s alright, and I've done it more than once. Maybe I'll give it just one more shot, because I think he said it's his favorite recipe.

 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
This one is pretty easy for its impressiveness, the olive stuffed pork tenderloins. Yes, it might look scary to a beginner, but it’s actually really easy. It was with this dish that I first did a brining of meat (this not only flavors the meat, but allows it to retain more moisture), of many brines and picklings since then. (AB is a pretty big fan of cider vinegar for this method, and he also often uses a certain weight of ice to bring the temp back down, with a proper end dilution in mind; go get a digital weight scale with the tare function, worth every cent IMO). The olives in there are 50/50 green and Kalamata. Did you know there has been a government study that says pork tenderloin has slightly less fat than chicken breast?



Here is a pic of a few things, the left is a Ziploc 2 gallon bag (hard to find, and pretty expensive) filled with pickling pork (I’ve since gone with Amazon to buy BULK mustard seeds, celery seeds, bay leaves, peppercorns, etc), the middle is brined (1hr only) trout fillets (healthy, sustainable, and affordable depending who you ask) in salt water, before they will get cooked in a cider vinegar mixture (not unlike cooking in lemon juice for a ceviche), and on the right are some of the elements of a punch I made, I think anyways! Not a very useful pic, but I like how those fillets look, hehe.



These are spinach and black forest bacon balls, with Italian bread crumbs and Gruyere. Ok, onion and egg too. The sizes are all over the place, because this was my first test batch and I wanted to see what sizes I succeeded best with. I only dabbled with smoked products with a short time, and now shy away with healthiness in mind, so when I get bacon, I pretty much only buy slab bacon, dry rubbed.



My first time trying a rice wrap, these are with Dungeness crab and Belgian endive. I don’t see myself repeating this anytime soon, not quite worth it to me for what I’m getting, but I still enjoyed giving it a shot .



Here is a standing rib roast, custom ordered, from the loin end (higher meat to bone ratio) that I dry aged for 5 days, and I tell you not only does it displace so many items in the fridge, the very low temp I set it to just throws other products out of whack as well. I totally appreciate the idea of dedicated fridges now, something I don’t benefit from. This is another thing I won’t do soon again, but on the plate it was pretty good I guess. Those are sliced leeks au jus (I used an OXO gravy separator). Oh yeah, I reverse-seared this, which I actually first learned about here at AH, from itschris. Don’t use that thermometer you see there, it’s terribly inaccurate.




The pickled pork from above ends up in this New Orleans style red beans and pork dish (to be served over long grain brown rice), and you can see I’m doing the ice bath here, on a baking sheet, which is sitting on top of a trivet). This is a great dish, relatively affordable, relatively easy, relatively healthy, and tastes damn good for days. I love cooking with casseroles, particularly my Dutch oven. If I could only have one cooking vessel that would probably be it, even though it would be a major PITA to work with for something like a couple of eggs, heh. I could probably get away with only one knife for that matter too; IMO, the hardware aspect must not need be expensive or take up so much space. My biggest waste of space if probably my wok. I don’t do much sautéing, but for that, copper core pans are the WTG (heat quick, cool quick, $$$).



Oh yeah, there was a while there where I was going crazy with salads. I made my own particular/unique variation on a Greek salad more than anything, with romaine, palm hearts, endives, olives, feta, tomatoes, red onion, and I’m sure there’s more. But lately, I’m all about the arugula, sometimes with chevre and/or endive. Oh yes, yet another white vinegar use, I splash a healthy amount into my largest steel bowl when washing salad greens in water. Rinse afterward. Kills the bacteria and funny stuff. Well, here is a pic of my first attempt at a Nicoise salad.



I have also got into cocktails, big time. I’ve read the most famous guys like Regan, DeGroff, pro guides like BarSmarts, and stuff by Abou Ganim, Hess, Miller, and more. I think hosting a cocktail party is probably more intense than cooking 4 courses, for the same amount of people. For this subject, I also have a mentor, a former mixologist (now in the restaurant biz) who is responsible for menus all over the place.

Here is a pic of one of my more recent forays, it is a muddled strawberry, muddled along with basil and thyme, Knot Irish Whisky, Barsol Pisco, balsamic. I probably know about +20 recipes off the top of my head, have a penchant for N.O. style sours, and I do some pretty fancy stuff. I even have a Lewis bag to crush ice, while using the mallet I originally bought for AV DIY purposes. Speaking of ice, I think I have 6 or 7 forms in the freezer, including large ice spheres. My brother has on a few occasions tried talking me into making beer, but I’m not going there yet. Alright, time for more trivia: So many spirits are/were called “water of life”. You see our stuff today is actually cut with distilled water to make them 80 proof or whatever. A very long time ago, drinking water was often a hazardous thing. They would splash the undiluted hooch into whatever body/vessel of water, let stand for maybe half an hour, and then it was safe to drink. Vodka is from “voda” (water I think in Polish, IIRC), Whiskey is from the Celtic word for water,“uisky”, eau de vie is French for water of life, and I think there’s more. I think the term spirits was dubbed by Aristotle(?), as when you boozed it up, the spirits would come to temporarily visit your mind. The best bourbons and cognacs of the world are made where there is the highest amount of limestone in the soil. The Prohibition was just an awful time for booze, and it’s been a long road to make up for losing so much of the craft since then, when the very best fled the country for work elsewhere. I will celebrate Repeal Day for the first time this year, and apparently, Finding Nemo BD is released the day before, haha. Speaking of movies and booze, there can be a lot of blame put on James Bond for his choice toward vodka. Also unusual is the shaking of a vermouth drink (they’re out there, but it’s unusual). Never order a vermouth drink at a bar that doesn’t refrigerate their vermouth. It’s just not worth it, and this will be the vast majority of places. A decent bottle of vermouth can be as cheap as $3 btw; there is no excuse to not have a fresh bottle on hand. Unfortunately, the ones sitting in plain sunlight might have been there for months.

A couple of other cocktails I've most recently tried making are the Corpse Reviver #2 (fantastic), Dark and Stormy (I am afraid homemade ginger beer is the only way to fly on this, and I'm not sure if I'll go there).



Well, maybe it’s a good thing I’m limited to 10 pics per post (edit: now have 11), because I’d be here for way too long. I have some pics of some veggie dishes, lentils/collards/leeks, yellow beet dish with broccoli stem, red beets with chevre/mint, some other things. Shepherd’s pie. Lamb shoulder roast. English short ribs. Bolognese. Primavera. Blah blah blah . . .

I have been keeping my eyes out for the best/perfect lamb stew recipe, but I just haven’t found it yet. I also have in my Amazon cart a multi-purpose fish poacher, because I'm thinking of trying a particular Keller recipe. I've never poached fish yet, I usually just bake, maybe with lemon and/or salt and/or oil and/or herbs. (The flavor is 99% getting the best product, and cooking it soon after buying, sort of, IMO.) Whenever I see sockeye on sale, I get it; I dislike Coho, but one friend says the only thing that matters with salmon is that it's from Alaska; there's Alaskan, and there's everything else. Not sure how right he is though.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Part 3/3

Hm, ok a parting shot on seasoning (and just salt in this case), because it seems so elementary, but so many cooks/pros harp on it like it's lesson #1 for any budding home cook:

For kosher salt, you pretty much want Diamond Crystal (Keller calls for it by name, and AB apparently does ad work for them now). It is more pure than the best competing brands, and has less weight per volume (and maybe only half the weight of table salt; yes you're eating less salt for how much appears to be in your hand), making it easier to be precise with. Kosher salt has a particular structure and size, and that's why you'll always seeing it called for all the time. Don't get me wrong, I use fine sea salt, coarse sea salt, pink Himalayan salt (very salty, but very good), etc, but am still using kosher more and more exclusively for the cooking part. One of the main reasons why salt helps to increase flavor is because it is an electrolyte, and essentially excites the sensors on the tongue.

Salting your meat in advance, say on your steak while it sits on the counter to come to room temp, also has a particular function, it's denaturing the proteins, and trust me, it tastes so completely different between salting an hour before cooking, or immediately before cooking. I ran into the below entertaining pic a while ago.

Oh, on my hunt for the best salt and pepper mills (after getting fed up with my cheapies from a local grocery store), I went with Peugot, quite expensive, but totally worth it, not only because I don't have to go through the PITA of taking it apart from the bottom, with a tiny screwdriver, trying to smush the rectangular arm back in through all the packed coarse grains, etc, to refill it (Peugot has a magnetic top which simply comes right off, pour stuff right in), it also is adjustable for the size of grind, particularly useful for pepper, for me.

 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
"Know what's in your food" . . .

Well, I don't drink milk, but an article was released yesterday talking about some researchers saying they've found a way to genetically engineer cows to make hypoallergenic milk! :rolleyes:

If you have a problem with drinking the fluids that come from a bovine mammary gland, well then don't drink it! You'll survive, trust me! Sheesh.

Genetically Engineered Cows Make ‘Hypoallergenic’ Milk - ABC News

Anyway, let's talk some more about me and my recent cooking since I lasted posted here. I cooked my first rabbit with a recipe I found on the internet that called for beer sauce (I chose Anchor Steam for it), and I was disappointed. It didn't taste nearly as good as rabbit with some creamier sauce I had in France many years ago. I will in fact say that I much prefer chicken, and at a fraction of the cost! Good ol' chicken.

I also bought and cooked my first batch of ground elk, holy crap, that is some seriously delicious stuff! My friend helped me do some of it Japanese style with panko, and with the rest of it I made sliders with onion, on whole grain seeded bread, but really it didn't need onion, bread, sauce, anything, it tasted delicious just by itself.

I had my first taste of Berkshire pork from an heirloom pig from England, at a specialty meat store a half hour drive away from me. It was good, but IMO, not worth the price.


I have some wild boar medallions in the freezer right now. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to do with them? :)

I also have some buffalo rib eye steaks, which I guess I was simply planning on cooking like, you know, steaks.
 
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Adam

Adam

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I will in fact say that I much prefer chicken, and at a fraction of the cost! Good ol' chicken.
Niki might disagree. She loves chicken, but there's just somethin' about them wabbits.

I have some wild boar medallions in the freezer right now. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to do with them? :)
I'm going to vote for "eat them." :D
 
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ACsGreens

Full Audioholic
I will not claim to be the end all know all but I thougth I would offer my assistance if needed. I spent many years in the culinary world and many as the chef for a major Div 1 university and it major sports programs. My specialty is bbq (real, not the fake 'i'm grilling and calling it a bbq" crap) and cajun/creole food. Damnit, i'm hungy now.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I'm going to vote for "eat them." :D
Wise guy.

I forgot to share my latest kitchen tool addition, this potato ricer here:

Potato Ricer and Baby Food Strainer: Amazon.com: Kitchen & Dining

I'm using it while trying to perfect the technique of the perfect hash browns. (Squeezes excess water out; don't just squeeze from bottom, but flip it over too, a bunch of brown water will run out that way too.) I'm not sure how close I am. I first started trying after my first attempt of AB's Man Breakfast stuff, like the Man Hash Browns, replete with bacon grease!

The grater I use for the hash browns is really cool because of the "catch bin". Not only does it make for less mess when grating small specific amounts, it makes measuring easy, I can store it in the fridge with the lid on, and when not in use, it flips upside down so that it fits neatly inside, reducing its overall height to make storage easier.

OXO Good Grips Box Grater: Amazon.com: Home & Kitchen

I think I was talking about that KitchenAid probe thermometer before here, but regardless, I was bummed out when it apparently died on me some months ago. I couldn't find any warranty info at all, looked up the contact info, gave a ring. "Ok sir, your brand new one is on the way." What, I don't have to send anything back? Nope. No forms, no nuthin'? Nope. Wait, how long is the warranty on this thing anyway, I can't find that info? "Lifetime." How cool, I say y'all should pick one up.

Amazon.com: KitchenAid Gourmet Digital Probe Thermometer: Home & Kitchen
 
psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
Turkey Reubens

I made turkey reubens on sour dough bread for dinner.

Rudi's organic sour dough bread, Annie's organic french dressing and organic (pasteurized) grass fed Swiss cheese, and Bubbies sauerkraut.

I used a 1/4 cup of mayonnaise and mixed it with about 10 chopped pickled jalapeno slices and slathered that on the bread instead of using butter. Added the French dressing, then did layers of turkey, sauerkraut, and swiss. Got my cast iron skillet hot seared one side then the other and put it in the oven at 400 degrees for 7 minutes.

It was too good.
 
psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
Local or online ordered?
Adam,

I get the cheese at a local shop. I used Organic Valley Swiss this time, but I usually get, and it's my favorite, Swiss Land. (links below).

Organic Valley - Organic Swiss

&

Swissland Cheese. Grass Fed Cheeses

I did some some checking and you have some cool places near you to get good organic produce and other grocery items. You have two Whole Foods Markets, one on Oracle and one on Speedway. Also, Food Conspiracy Co Op, and one I know you'll like because they deliver, Matt's Organics.

https://www.mattsorganics.com/

Food Conspiracy
 

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