Fans in Newer Receivers

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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
Is it me or does it seem over the last ten years, more and more receivers have fans inside the chassis? I doubt the amp section is responsible as amps haven't changed a whole lot and receivers run hot even when using them as preamps. Does the preamp section and processing really generate that much more heat these days with all the newer processing? Someone educate me...
 
tattoo_Dan

tattoo_Dan

Banned
I have a Onkyo 806,it gets pretty hot,I have yet to hear or see the fan go on inside, :confused:

yesterday I did a little project and put 2 80mm silent PC fans in my rack,one blowing over the top of the AVR and one blowing over the DVD and cable box(they get warm too)

I have always been a cooling nut with my pc's,

so far the fans work great !


but I can't really answer your topic question, :)
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Is it me or does it seem over the last ten years, more and more receivers have fans inside the chassis? I doubt the amp section is responsible as amps haven't changed a whole lot and receivers run hot even when using them as preamps. Does the preamp section and processing really generate that much more heat these days with all the newer processing? Someone educate me...
A fan costs and weighs less than a bigger heat sink. Now that they have more processing power, they need more cooling.
 
Haoleb

Haoleb

Audioholic Field Marshall
All of the processing does really generate a fair amount of heat. Those little chips get quite hot. Look at a computer CPU for example, If you were to take the heat sink off while it was turned on you would fry the chip almost instantly.
 
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mnatiq

Audioholic
I have a Onkyo 806,it gets pretty hot,I have yet to hear or see the fan go on inside, :confused:

yesterday I did a little project and put 2 80mm silent PC fans in my rack,one blowing over the top of the AVR and one blowing over the DVD and cable box(they get warm too)

I have always been a cooling nut with my pc's,

so far the fans work great !


but I can't really answer your topic question, :)
hey i also have a 806 and i havent heard my fan turn on even though after a really long time (9 hrs).
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Fan's are a great way to add to the effectiveness of standard convection cooling. You also have to remember that silent small fans wheren't in existance many years ago. Now that they are mass manufactured they are a cheap and easy way to cool the output stages and other heat producing transistor chip sets.

On receivers in particular like the upper end Onkyos that produce a large amount of heat a fan is very handy in reducing heat build up on the inside if it begins to exceed a certain amount. The Onkyo TX-DS787 (around 8-10 years old) had a fan inside of it with a heat sensor that would activate the fan if the tempurature reached a certain point.

Many newer receivers that feature Class D output devices also use fans because they have restricted space for large heat sinks and the receivers are meant to fit into decors that may necessitate putting the receiver in a small space.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
I'd prefer receivers use larger heat sinks rather than add something with moving parts even if it cost a few bucks more.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I'd prefer receivers use larger heat sinks rather than add something with moving parts even if it cost a few bucks more.
If you look inside some of these modern AVRs that have fans you will also see they have pretty hefty heat sinks as well (unless it's class D). The Onkyo TX-DS787 had a pretty large set of heatsinks, as did my Yamaha HTR-5890. The Onkyo TX-SR805 has a huge heatsink. On receivers such as these the fans rarely turn on, they are there simply for thermal protection (an additional feature). However Pioneer's low end receivers have fans that kick on regularly, but they lower end Pioneers also have cheasy heatsinks.;)
 
yettitheman

yettitheman

Audioholic General
Back in the old days... tubes/valves didn't have fans that I can recall. And trust me when I say tubes just make a great room heater :D

Transistor (analog, think older) amps, fans weren't really required because electronics were built a bit heavier, the transistors and associated circuitry were typically some sort of point to point connection, and circuit traces were larger, so that if power levels exceeded in such a manner that the device would not keep up, not a problem. You usually heard clipping or distortion as the result, but not too much in the sense of being blown up.

Now, keep in mind, most didn't have transistors and decoding boards like we do now days. The ones in newer recievers are smaller, can handle the same job, and we can pack a lot more of those suckers in the same size package.

But the biggest thing, I think, is digital control that newer A/V's have. Some of the chipsets and processors in these newer receivers are quite powerful, and yet small, with associated traces. Because the processing these controllers can handle, they have the potential to generate a fair amount of heat, but also, the biggest thing, is more sensitive subjectivity to failure from thermal; because of the small size and amount of power it really has.

I think the fan is a secondary benefit for the amplifier section itself; it helps keep the actual power transistors cooler in case something gets a bit hot, but I think from a design and engineering standpoint, that the fans are there for the logic boards, as opposed to the amp section. Not to mention, if the processing boards aren't generating the heat, the amp section can be in close proximity to the logic boards, as well as generating enough heat in a confined, static area could affect the board(s) as well.

The amps really don't need it, but it does help.

Case in point, an old Heathkit H-80 with dual Zilog Z-80 processors, no fan.
My old 386, had a fan in the power supply, but nothing else.
First machine that had to have better cooling was a Packard Bell 200MHz MMX PC. It had airflow.
As the parts get smaller and faster, it's more important they keep cool.
Now, why they don't use heatsinks on those parts.. it's probably cheaper to stick a fan in a spot and do two jobs at once instead of sticking heatsinks on all the logic processors, costing the company more, and then you lose the benefit of cooling the amplifier section down. My two cents.
 
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