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busybeingborn

Enthusiast
Hello all,
I'm pondering on updating my Stereo equipment after not investing for 30 years. :) But listening to hi res audio more and more requires at least some additional hardware.

What I've been using for the last decades:

- Revox B739 preamp
- Threshold S150 power amp
- Magnepan Magneplanar speakers (the small ones, 160cm high, ±30ys old)

What I've got now (new):
- iMac i5
- AppleTV 2
- Bowers & Wilkins MM1
- NAS RAID

What would be the most effective and cost-saving update / replacement for this equipment?

Thanks a lot!

Peter
 
walter duque

walter duque

Audioholic Samurai
Hello all,
I'm pondering on updating my Stereo equipment after not investing for 30 years. :) But listening to hi res audio more and more requires at least some additional hardware.

What I've been using for the last decades:

- Revox B739 preamp
- Threshold S150 power amp
- Magnepan Magneplanar speakers (the small ones, 160cm high, ±30ys old)

What I've got now (new):
- iMac i5
- AppleTV 2
- Bowers & Wilkins MM1
- NAS RAID

What would be the most effective and cost-saving update / replacement for this equipment?

Thanks a lot!

Peter
You should off that Threshold, I'll gladly take it of your hands. IMO, that amp can never be replaced.
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Hello all,
I'm pondering on updating my Stereo equipment after not investing for 30 years. :) But listening to hi res audio more and more requires at least some additional hardware.

What I've been using for the last decades:

- Revox B739 preamp
- Threshold S150 power amp
- Magnepan Magneplanar speakers (the small ones, 160cm high, ±30ys old)

What I've got now (new):
- iMac i5
- AppleTV 2
- Bowers & Wilkins MM1
- NAS RAID

What would be the most effective and cost-saving update / replacement for this equipment?

Thanks a lot!

Peter
The problem is you have older gear better than 99% of what is talked about here.

We need to know what you want. 2.1. 5.1, 7.1 and whether you want a full integrated AV system.

The speakers could do with an upgrade. If you like the Maggies by all means upgrade to their latest offerings.

If you want to retain your current quality with you will need a big budget.

I have been spoiled with well made gear over the years. I do audition mid market products and of course visit others homes. I can tell you the difference between what you are used to and the current mass market offerings, is a chasm as far as sound quality goes.
 
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busybeingborn

Enthusiast
Thank you! That's what I intended: ruling out one or the other and seriously thing about what remains. I couldn't replace everything even if I wanted to. So e.g. keeping with the Threshold sounds like a good idea. The Maggies sound weak to me after all these years, or maybe my taste has changed. I even get a fuller sound at my computer with the MM1 (they sound incredibly good!!).

Regarding the Revox, I have no idea what nowadays preamps produce, compared to it.
 
walter duque

walter duque

Audioholic Samurai
I would just upgrade the speakers. The rest can't be replaced. You can spend a lot and get far less than what you have now. You have some very nice equipment.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Thank you! That's what I intended: ruling out one or the other and seriously thing about what remains. I couldn't replace everything even if I wanted to. So e.g. keeping with the Threshold sounds like a good idea. The Maggies sound weak to me after all these years, or maybe my taste has changed. I even get a fuller sound at my computer with the MM1 (they sound incredibly good!!).

Regarding the Revox, I have no idea what nowadays preamps produce, compared to it.
Your Revox dates back to the golden age. However it is purely analog and has no digital processing.

So the issue comes down to whether you want digital processing. In other words do you want subs and bass management? Do you want the preamp to decode digital streams, especially the new loss less codes, and do you want network streaming?

So far you have not fleshed out what you want to do.

It is really important for you to articulate what you want.

As far as the Magnaplanars are concerned, those older units are very bass shy. If you want good planar speakers, in my view your best option is the big Magnaplanars or the Quad ESL. The latter I favor over Martin Logan.

If you are in the upgrade mood do not exclude good monopole speakers.

We absolutely have to have a better idea of what you want.

If you click on my signature you can see a mix if older and new gear, integrated with a computer. I will probably add a rack computer for video and streaming and keep the current audio workstation for audio editing and productions only and take it off the NET.

As you see there are a number of older pre amps, four in fact. Three are used a LP and tape preamps, the fourth as an editing desk buffer amp.

By the way do you still have your LP gear and any analog tape machines? If so what? I'm assuming that if your gear is 30 years old you probably do.

You can avoid digital gear entirely except for your TV box, disc player and TV, but it takes a few work arounds to get it handy and work well.

Here is such a system.

So we must know what you want. If you don't know what you want, you need to ask some thoughtful questions.
 
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busybeingborn

Enthusiast
Thank you for asking.

Yes, I want to play hi res audio files like those from HDTracks.com. This was the wakeup point: I can't connect my digital sources to the analog equipment.

(And yes, I still have a tape machine and a record player, but I don't use them any more.)
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Thank you for asking.

Yes, I want to play hi res audio files like those from HDTracks.com. This was the wakeup point: I can't connect my digital sources to the analog equipment.

(And yes, I still have a tape machine and a record player, but I don't use them any more.)
I'm getting the impression you just want music and no video.

I also suspect you just want two channel.

Why don't you use your turntable? What is it? What is your tape machine?

Would you be able to integrate a desk top computer into the system?

If my assumptions are correct, then you just need a good DAC and a speaker upgrade and you can keep the rest of your gear.

I have to say you are not forthcoming on your needs. We can't mind read. There are endless possibilities.
 
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busybeingborn

Enthusiast
Yes, as I said: I want to listen to 24/94 Stereo files without any losses, that's all. I'd like to listen without a computer running (source = NAS), but this is not essential. At least my preamp is too old for that (without a DAC). And I wonder if it's still good enough, compared to the 21st ct. level.

(My old LPs aren't in the best condition, and my tape deck was cheap, so I forget about both.)
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Yes, as I said: I want to listen to 24/94 Stereo files without any losses, that's all. I'd like to listen without a computer running (source = NAS), but this is not essential. At least my preamp is too old for that (without a DAC). And I wonder if it's still good enough, compared to the 21st ct. level.

(My old LPs aren't in the best condition, and my tape deck was cheap, so I forget about both.)
Your preamp is wonderful. Willi Studer produced gear that will equal the best of what is produced now.

What is your brand of NAS, and can you send a link to a manual I can download?

You need a DAC and speaker upgrade, that is all.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Great, I am relieved. :)

I had already seen a wonderful pair of speakers:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260713179362#ht_793wt_1114
:)
But, well, that's a bit beyond my means.

This is my NAS:
http://www.raidsonic.de/en/products/nas-systems.php?we_objectID=5678

Thank you!
Actually a set of speakers like that is what you do need. If B & W is pricey look at Spendor, they have some really good speakers around 4 K price range.

Your box only outputs via USB or Ethernet. I don't know of a preamp that accepts digital data via USB. Your device if used with a new preamp would need to stream over a home network via your router.

Your best bet is to buy a USB DAT to go between your Icy Box and your Revox. USB output is not the best, it would be better if you had a unit that outputted via RCA digital, Toslink or Firewire.

I use a computer for your application and then connect to a DAC by firewire, which can sand analog to my preamp or digital data via Toslink.

Personally for what you are doing I think a computer with a big external drives is best. I have a big back up drive, and a drive that is partitioned one for audio and one partition for AV. I just go to my computer select the partition I want, and select the file I want and play the recording I want. Then it goes to my DAC via Firewire 800. Handy and simple and I think better than a box system like you chose. You have a range of really high quality DACs that way. I use an RME Fireface 800 and could not be happier.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
DAT ? You don't mean a Digital Audio Tape, do you?
Sorry! Typo! You need a USB DAC of which there are a large number available.

You can research that and get one at a price point that is satisfactory to you. Just avoid high priced units with tube stages.
 
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busybeingborn

Enthusiast
The Fireface 800 has a smaller brother that (to me) seems to offer all I need:
http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_fireface_400.php

Do DACs have a user interface? Or should I better use my Macbook, attach it to the NAS (via Ethernet) and to the DAC (via digital audio out or FireWire), and from there into the Revox?

(B.t.w., thank you very much for your assistance!)
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
You could look at the SqueezeBox Touch ->Toslink->DAC (you would bypass the DAC section in the SQT, or you could try it out) to Analog in on your pre.

You would install a media server and stream it all.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
The Fireface 800 has a smaller brother that (to me) seems to offer all I need:
http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_fireface_400.php

Do DACs have a user interface? Or should I better use my Macbook, attach it to the NAS (via Ethernet) and to the DAC (via digital audio out or FireWire), and from there into the Revox?

(B.t.w., thank you very much for your assistance!)
The RME units would not be ideal for you as they need a computer for control, and there is no USB input.

Your simplest solution is to use a USB DAC. USB from the icy box to your DAC and analog from the DAC to the Revox. I don't see a need for any interface as the DAC will just convert what you send to from the Icy Box.

If you need more control, then go to a full desktop and one of the RME units. Ditch the ICY Box. Those RME units are of a quality you are looking for. If you are serious about listening to high quality radio, like from the BBC and want high quality downloads and very high quality audio, a PC and external DAC, like RME have on offer, is the way to go in my view. So that was and is my design choice.
 
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