EQUALIZER connects to RECEIVER?

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SpeakerBuyer

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I'm trying to manipulate the sounds that emit from my stereo system to better accommodate my ear's liking. Is it possible to connect an Onkyo equalizer to my Yamaha v490?
 
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oldhifiguy

Enthusiast
if your rcvr has tape in/out jacks on back you can use them for the EQ.
then select source or tape on front for eq(tape) or no eq(source)
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Well, yes and no.

if your rcvr has tape in/out jacks on back you can use them for the EQ. Then select source or tape on front for eq(tape) or no eq(source)
The mere presence of tape in and tape out jacks don't guarantee one can insert an equalizer. You need a "tape loop" circuit as well.

To insert an equalizer or similar in-line processing device, one needs to insert it somewhere in the circuit path. You must break the circuit, send the signal out to the device, and then return it into the circuit exactly where it left it.

In the good old days of analog two-channel stereo, adding an equalizer was as simple as pie. You simply located the tape monitor output on the back panel, ran an interconnect from there to the eq’s input, and then ran another interconnect from the eq’s output back to the tape monitor’s input on the receiver. You turned on the eq, a pushed the “Tape Monitor” button on the receiver in and bingo! Your eq is now in the circuit!

Likewise, to take the eq out of the circuit, you just pushed the “Tape Monitor” switch again to restore the internal signal path.

Essentially, what the “tape monitor” button does can be described in two steps.

1) When the “tape monitor” button is in it’s “out” position, the signal is fed internally from the “tape out” jacks to the “tape in” jacks.
2) When you push it in, that out/in connection severed, the signal goes out the “tape monitor out” jacks, through the external device, and then back into the “tape monitor in” jacks.

This is why pushing the “tape monitor” button in when nothing is connected to the “tape monitor” in and out jacks, the signal will disappear. It’s going out but never returning.

If one is talking about one of the current AVR's, simply having tape out and tape in jacks on the back panel does not guarantee that it will create the needed "monitor loop" configuration of the old days where the signal was sent out and to a device and then returned immediately to the same point in the circuit path where it left via the push of a button. Tape monitor circuits were a given in virtually all legacy receivers of all prices.

Nowadays, while many AVR’s might have “tape out” jacks on the back to allow you to send an analog two-channel signal out to an external device, it’s generally a one-way trip.

Likewise, they might have a “tape input” on the back to allow you to play tapes through your system, but odds are it must be selected via the input selector, which makes it worthless for the purpose of inserting an eq into the circuit.

The key is to scour the front panel for a "tape loop" or "tape monitor" button. Without that, these two sets of jacks simply allow a signal to be sent out to an tape deck but that tape deck's input must be selected as another input, not the out/in loop, as many have discovered.

So, if you do indeed have the needed "tape monitor loop" then you're good to go but, be aware that it will only affect two channels, most likely the front two.

One way to verify you do have what's needed is to take one stereo interconnect and connect the tape output to the tape input in question. Switch the receiver to FM, CD or some other source besides tape, and press the tape monitor switch. It should sound exactly the same. If you lose the signal, there's a problem. Likewise, not being able to find the "tape monitor" button/switch on the front panel is a problem also.

But, not all hope is lost. You can use an eq between the preamp stage and power amp, assuming the receiver offers these I/O options. Using this option you’ll need a separate equalizer channel for each channel you want to eq. For a 6.1 channel system (I’ll ignore the sub here), you’ll need six channels of equalizers, or three stereo eq’s.
 
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tcarcio

Audioholic General
I have an EQ connected to my reciever for my mains and I just run the left and right pre out channels to the EQ and then out to the amp and it works fine. I don't use a tape monitor or loop so am I misunderstanding something here?
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I have an EQ connected to my reciever for my mains and I just run the left and right pre out channels to the EQ and then out to the amp and it works fine. I don't use a tape monitor or loop so am I misunderstanding something here?
No, you're fine. Re-read the second sentence in the last paragraph of my admittedly verbose post.
 
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SpeakerBuyer

Banned
hi yes, I have the "Tape Monitor" button on front of my yamaha v490. Thanks I will definitely try that! :p
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Speakerbuyer, in response to your PM

I reposted your PM here so others could benefit from any answers that come from this thread.

It is MANDATORY that the equalizer match the number of ohms that my receiver has?(which is 8 ohms)
I must first ask what is the impedance fo your equalizer?
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
And you guys keep feeding the trolls:confused: while people dont see eye to eye on things. Im not going to help trolls play the game. Read the ops posts and if im wrong ill give him or her a free installation. He or she just has to pm me. There was a thread started about the search function and ........... Open invite for speaker buyer to pm me. Im 15 min from lauderdale.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Not really. It's not like I invested a lot of time answering it.

And you guys keep feeding the trolls:confused: while people dont see eye to eye on things. Im not going to help trolls play the game. Read the ops posts and if im wrong ill give him or her a free installation. He or she just has to pm me. There was a thread started about the search function and ........... Open invite for speaker buyer to pm me. Im 15 min from lauderdale.
The eq question pops up so frequently that I thought some lurkers might have the same question and I wanted to expand on oldhifiguy's response.

I now just cut/paste this from a word document I created after answering this for the umpteenth time. IMNSHO, it's a good primer for anyone wondering about this.

I thought his PM was a great touch, though. That's why I posted it. :p
 
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mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
wow. on a sunday!

i always thought spammers and trolls don't work sundays.

good thing i get paid by the number of bans ... wait a minute.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
wow. on a sunday!

i always thought spammers and trolls don't work sundays.

good thing i get paid by the number of bans ... wait a minute.
Thanks Mike. Glad to see you've restocked your supply of Troll-B-Gone and aren't afraid to use it.

Being the Verminator is a 24/7/365 job. You knew that when you took the oath.

But, it's still Saturday over here. That freaked me out coming and going from the PI. I landed two in Colliefornia only an hour after I took off from Clark AFB, but it sure seemed longer than that.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Still no pm hmm?
She was banned, man - how is she going to PM you? :D

I miss her already. I thought that we really had a connection, even though I never posted to her. My one shot at human love smashed by Mike. Sniffle, sniffle. Time to grab another beer and dull the pain.
 
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