Buckle-meister

Audioholic Field Marshall
Sorry folks

I neither own the above speakers (I wish!) nor will be buying them. The reason for the misleading title is that on another recent thread, a member mentioned that he was awaiting receipt of said speakers. Curious, I googled them and found that for such high-end, high-quality speakers, their frequency range went from (only (no disrespect is meant; read on)) 35Hz to 20kHz.

The reason I say 'only' is that there are many very much less expensive speakers which actually go lower. My question is; how is it that these obvously very expensive speakers do not cover the generally accepted full frequency range of 20Hz to 20kHz? What are these speakers doing, besides having superior build/finish/parts quality, that others are not?

Regards
 
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miklorsmith

Full Audioholic
Line Array

First of all, they're a line-array, which does not sound like a conventional 2- or 3-driver array. I heard some Genesis line arrays that were mind-boggling, though they were dipoles and different from these.

The large number of drivers means each doesn't work much at all. The movements are so small that distortions become vanishingly small, even at loud volumes. Hearing a good line-array played loudly is amazing. Where conventional arrangements force their drivers to large excursions at volume, arrays don't. Further, the sweet spot can be gigantic, two and possibly three seats wide.

Many people listen to music that doesn't need the bottom octave flat. Many recordings have little to no information here. Thus, these speakers would be just as full-range with many recordings as a 20-20 offering. And, the criteria for rating 20-20 performance are not standardized and these claims are not always indicative of real-world performance.

Of course, they're expensive with all those high-quality drivers and coordinating the large number of drivers to one cohesive sound is a tricky engineering exercise, thus the high price.

I hope Sleestack gushes here when he gets 'em.
 

Buckle-meister

Audioholic Field Marshall
miklorsmith said:
Of course, they're expensive with all those high-quality drivers and coordinating the large number of drivers to one cohesive sound is a tricky engineering exercise, thus the high price.
They also weigh an absolute ton (tonne for the youths!). I've also taken a look at Mission's flagship 'Pilastro' speakers specification:

155kg...

Per cabinet!!!

How on earth do people move these things? Just image trying to shift them around to determine the best location in a room!

Regards
 
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miklorsmith

Full Audioholic
Staff

They package three weightlifters in each box that set them up, then fly back to the factory.
 
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Sleestack

Senior Audioholic
Buckle-meister said:
They also weigh an absolute ton (tonne for the youths!). I've also taken a look at Mission's flagship 'Pilastro' speakers specification:

155kg...

Per cabinet!!!

How on earth do people move these things? Just image trying to shift them around to determine the best location in a room!

Regards

The good thing is that line source speakers are much less sensitive to room placement. I don't know muich more about the technical aspects of the speaker... I will tell you that they were recommended to me by a very well known competitor whose family has been in the business for several generations. He told me that they were the best speakers he had ever heard in his lifetime and would be using them himself, as they were the speakers he has been looking for his entire life. I can't guarantee what that means, but given his depth of experience and knowledge, and the fact that he has always given me honest opinions about his and his competitor's gear, that was all I really needed to hear.

As for low end... I'm not sure that it will be a problem, but just in case, I'll be using them with my Velodyne DD15.

Speakers should be here within 2 weeks. Despite my aggravation with certain aspects of this board, I will give a full report. I have a feeling these speakers will be very special amd will deserve to be talked about for the benefit of members.
 
jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
That's not THAT heavy. Every see the weight specs on the Wilson Alexandrias? More than a ton for the pair. Yes, literally over 2000lbs.

And Sleestack, I'm looking forward to reading about your experiences with them. How much did they set you back?
 

Buckle-meister

Audioholic Field Marshall
Sleestack said:
... I will tell you that they were recommended to me by a very well known competitor whose family has been in the business for several generations.
What!!!! :eek: You've not even heard them?!!!! :eek: Are you nuts?!!!! ;)

Regards
 
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Sleestack

Senior Audioholic
Buckle-meister said:
What!!!! :eek: You've not even heard them?!!!! :eek: Are you nuts?!!!! ;)

Regards

Nope. He'll take them off my hands if I don't like them.
 
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miklorsmith

Full Audioholic
Definitions

I'll be getting new speakers in a couple months. The Zu Definitions are the big brothers to the Druids I already own. Following Srajan Ebaen's findings and my conversations with the Zu boys, I'm sure these are the ones for the long haul.

At 9k, they're not as much as the Epiphanys, and, I've not heard them. Zu does not charge for return and allows a 90-day free return (you pay one-way shipping, back to them).
 

Buckle-meister

Audioholic Field Marshall
miklorsmith said:
Zu does not charge for return and allows a 90-day free return (you pay one-way shipping, back to them).
Are you in the States? It seems that you have a lot of 'try and if you don't like it, return' policies over there.

Wish it were the same here. :(

Regards
 
jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
I dunno, I think I'd rather pay more for hi-fi gear than have a lunatic running the country. Just my $.02 though.
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
jaxvon said:
I dunno, I think I'd rather pay more for hi-fi gear than have a lunatic running the country. Just my $.02 though.
.....Cheney's far from a lunatic.....
 
jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
Indeed Mule...Indeed...

I really should keep politics out of this area....and save them for the Steam Vent
 

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