Entry-Level Audio System Help

IDunno19

IDunno19

Audiophyte
Hey guys!

I just made the jump from fledgling electronics fan to big wig by buying (drum roll please...) a blu-ray player and a 720p TV. I know, I know.

Now that I have that part of my system, I'm looking to continue building. I've got my eyes on a Pioneer VSX-819H (coming out in April if you haven' heard of it ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-10137163-100.html) mainly because it fits my projected budget (roughly $600-$700). My question for you guys is, what are some good speakers and a subwoofer (I'm looking at a 2.1 system) that would cost a total of $400?

I'm wondering if my choice of receiver is too expensive for an entry-level system (looking for opinions on that too). I want to use optical audio for my TV and HDMI audio for my blu-ray player so I'd like a receiver with support for these features if my original choice isn't too expensive.

Overall, I'm just looking for some advice! Thanks for your help guys and I'm looking forward to being a part of these forums.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Hi. I just have a couple of minutes, but I wanted to say this. I would expect the street price for the VSX-819 to be quite a bit lower than that...assuming that's in U.S. dollars. Normally Pioneer's VSX-101X models are in the $450 USD range once they hit the market, and the VSX-818 is in the low $200s right now.

That could potentially increase your budget for the speakers and sub by quite a bit, which would be a good thing, IMO.

How big is your room (definitely a consideration when shopping for a sub), and how far away would you be sitting from the speakers?
 
IDunno19

IDunno19

Audiophyte
I currently live in an apartment and will be for the next two or three years so I only sit about 7-10 feet away from the equipment.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Hey guys!

I just made the jump from fledgling electronics fan to big wig by buying (drum roll please...) a blu-ray player and a 720p TV. I know, I know.

Now that I have that part of my system, I'm looking to continue building. I've got my eyes on a Pioneer VSX-819H (coming out in April if you haven' heard of it ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-10137163-100.html) mainly because it fits my projected budget (roughly $600-$700). My question for you guys is, what are some good speakers and a subwoofer (I'm looking at a 2.1 system) that would cost a total of $400?

I'm wondering if my choice of receiver is too expensive for an entry-level system (looking for opinions on that too). I want to use optical audio for my TV and HDMI audio for my blu-ray player so I'd like a receiver with support for these features if my original choice isn't too expensive.

Overall, I'm just looking for some advice! Thanks for your help guys and I'm looking forward to being a part of these forums.
I think you are budgeting far too much for the receiver and far too little for the speakers. Speakers (including subwoofers) make much more difference in the sound than receivers. At your budget of just over $1000 total, I would probably budget for the cheapest receiver I could find that does all I needed, and then spend the rest on speakers.

Most people budget things disproportionately, just as you have done, because it is easy to see that one gets more (features, power) with a more expensive receiver, but good sound quality is harder to point to in a speaker. And at your price point, I would be looking at bookshelf speakers all around (not towers for the front), because you will be having your subwoofer deal with the low bass, so there is no point in paying for deep bass capability in the main speakers too. The bookshelf speakers should, however, go deep enough to work well with a subwoofer; I recommend getting speakers that are solid down to 80 Hz, so a -3 dB point of about 60 Hz or so would be great.

Go listen to as many speakers in your price range as you can stand to listen to, and select the ones you like best with music with which you are familiar.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
Living in an apartment is likely to constrain you quite a bit. For example unless nobody lives below you then you may not want a downward firing subwoofer and volumes may be limited. Only you know what the neighbors will put up with.

If you live on the 1st floor the HSU is a good choice, but if you live above someone then I'd look at either a forward firing sub backing up bookshelf speakers, or floor standing full range speakers, and I'd tend toward the latter approach until you move to a more volume/floor shaking friendly environment. Perhaps a 3.0 system since a matched center is almost a must for movies. I'd also invest in quality headphones. Since I haven't shopped speakers in a while I'll avoid a brand recommendation.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Find a refurb AVR and get these....
You might want to actually give a link, or at the very least, say what brand and models you are talking about, as just a picture is likely to be uninformative.

As it so happens, I recognize them, and will provide the link:

http://www.svsound.com/products-sys-sbs_black.cfm

Judging from the reviews, it is likely to be good advice, though I have not heard the speakers in question, so I will leave it at that.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I figured anyone who has been in the forum for an hour or two would reconize the sub!

You might want to actually give a link, or at the very least, say what brand and models you are talking about, as just a picture is likely to be uninformative.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Hey guys!

I just made the jump from fledgling electronics fan to big wig by buying (drum roll please...) a blu-ray player and a 720p TV. I know, I know.

Now that I have that part of my system, I'm looking to continue building. I've got my eyes on a Pioneer VSX-819H (coming out in April if you haven' heard of it ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-10137163-100.html) mainly because it fits my projected budget (roughly $600-$700). My question for you guys is, what are some good speakers and a subwoofer (I'm looking at a 2.1 system) that would cost a total of $400?

I'm wondering if my choice of receiver is too expensive for an entry-level system (looking for opinions on that too). I want to use optical audio for my TV and HDMI audio for my blu-ray player so I'd like a receiver with support for these features if my original choice isn't too expensive.

Overall, I'm just looking for some advice! Thanks for your help guys and I'm looking forward to being a part of these forums.
I neglected one part of your question with my first response, so let me now add that for you to get all of the audio formats that are on Blu-Ray, you would have to ignore the advice I gave and go ahead and spend the money on the receiver. The thing is, downgrading the speakers will degrade the sound of everything, though omitting the new formats will only degrade the sound of those discs that have the new formats. Personally, I would go with better speakers, which, in my opinion, will be better than having great new formats heard through lessor speakers. You must, of course, decide for yourself regarding such matters, but there is little point in having better formats than regular DD and dts if one has poor speakers.

Also, from looking at the link for the receiver you are considering, I see now that you meant that the total budget was $600-700, not the budget for the receiver alone, which is what I and, it seems, others thought at first.

At your budget, assuming that you have nothing at all right now, you will need to buy something, and if you are not comfortable with buying used, I would guess that you have your eye on a good choice for your receiver, as you should be able to get it for something less than retail price, and it may be adequate for many years to come. Still, the better speakers you get, the better everything will sound.

If you will be able to budget more money in the future, you might buy the receiver you have in mind (when it comes out), and just the front three speakers to start, and then save more money for a subwoofer and rear speakers. If you will not have more money in the future, then I would probably go with a less expensive receiver and budget as much as possible for the speakers.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I also assume that you are not purposely getting on my nerves....:eek:
The thread was started by someone who currently has a post count of 2. You are assuming far too much.
 
IDunno19

IDunno19

Audiophyte
All great advice guys! I can see I came to the right place (especially as someone who knows, embarassingly enough, nothing about audio). I'm thinking of upping my budget but as a college student with a girlfriend, it's hard to scrape together cash.

I noticed that some people mentioned used speakers and I talked earlier with my friend who had the same advice. I guess I was just wondering (as someone who is rather weary of buying used), where's a good place to look for used speakers and what are some brands I can trust to stand the test of time? Admittedly I like the idea of a brand new system (I definitely think I'm sticking with that receiver for longevity sake) but obviously with an empty wallet, it's hard to be choosy...
 
A

alexwakelin

Full Audioholic
Audiogon and craigslist are two places to look for used equipment.

http://www.audiogon.com/

Deals can be had on ebay if you know what to look for...Also, check the classified forum on this site.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
This may or may not be a popular suggestion but we are talking entry level and a super low budget here. As suggested earlier using a subwoofer may not thrill neighbors, and a matched 3.0 system might be a better choice. If you watch the deal sites (bensbargains.net & fatwallet.com) you may run across a sale on Polk R50 speakers for roughly $50ea, $80 shipped - usually in the cherry finish only. A bit more on ebay. These list for $200ea. They usually go on sale about once a quarter. A CS10 center can usually be had for $100 delivered. So basically for $300 of your budget the speaker problem is solved. And you can always add a sub later.

Overall Frequency Response 40Hz - 24kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 50Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 20kHz
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 20 - 150 w/channel
Efficiency 90 dB
Inputs 5-way binding posts

That leaves the receiver. J&R will sell you an Onkyo TX-SR606 for $350ish plus S&H. Then grab your cables at monoprice.com and you have everything you need to get started without breaking your budget.
 
IDunno19

IDunno19

Audiophyte
Do you mean that certain speakers on that page have good bang for the dollar or the whole company in general?
 
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