Energy Veritas line or GoldenEar or Ascend Sierra

[slipperybidness]

The MSRP of the RBH SX-8300 is the same as the Revel F208 -- $5K/PR.

Basically each SX-8300's trio of 8" aluminum subwoofers is about equivalent to a single RBH SX-1010 subwoofer. And since you can actively bi-amp the SX-8300, the bass will be extremely similar.

Of course, separate subs and bigger subs will unequivocally produce more SPL and deeper bass. But in real life situations with movies and music, a pair of SX-8300 actively bi-amped via LFE/Dynamic EQ/Ext Amp will shake and rattle the 4 walls of a 18' x 20' x 12' room like a rag doll and still produce tight musical punchy dynamic bass like the bass from a high-end tower speaker.

Not everyone wants a subwoofer. Hard to believe, but true. A lot of people just want the 2 towers. But most towers will not be able to produce the kind of bass like the SX-8300 because the SX-8300 can be actively bi-amped.

The Salon2 can go down to 23Hz. But the Salon2 cannot be actively bi-amped. Thus, the SX-8300 actively bi-amped via LFE/DEQ/amp will produce significantly punchier and musical bass IMO.

Well, you also have the DT and GE that have the sub amps built in, but pretty similar to what you are talking about (and I know you are familiar with the DTs).

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

The e55ti is more similar to the SX-6300 in terms of size, driver size and the amount of drivers used. That's about where it stops though. The drivers in the RBH tower are some world class drivers (scanspeak, etc). The two towers look to share a very similar, if not the same, cabinet though. The sizes look the same, curves, etc all look identical. The faceplates are different though as I asked EMP/RBH that exact question. Driver diameters are different. Whether that's true or not..I don't know. I did some measurements of the tweeter in the EMP e55ti and looked up the diameter for the tweeter used in the sx6300 and they weren't the same.

Besides the crossover, drivers and likely more bracing...there pretty much the same lol. For the price of the e55's though....it's not fair to most speakers that they sound this good. Just have to figure out if the difference from e55ti to RBH is worth it to you

......still though....I REALLY wonder if the drivers in the SX-6300 would fit. They way the screws are line up the same way as the e55ti

Different drivers, bracing, XO, like you said. You cannot actively bi-amp the EMP like you can actively bi-amp the RBH.

The EMP is 47" tall and weighs 52lbs, while the SX-6300 is 44" tall and weighs 64lbs.

For the price, the EMP is definitely difficult to surpass in SQ.

Likewise, for the price, the RBH SX-8300 is definitely difficult to surpass in SQ.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Well, you also have the DT and GE that have the sub amps built in, but pretty similar to what you are talking about (and I know you are familiar with the DTs).

Yeah, I used to own the $5,500 DT BP7000SC. The woofers inside the DT and GE are not going to be the same quality as the RBH Signature. I also hate the built-in amp inside the DTs. I also hate the side-firing woofer, which I think makes placement more difficult with TV stands and such.

When I still owned the BP7000SC, I auditioned the RBH T2 (bass is about equivalent to the SX-8300). And the bass from the RBH was just so much punchier. Even punchier than the DT SuperCube Trinity subwoofer. That was when I fell in love with RBH. But RBH was very ugly looking back then.

 

[ousooner2]

Different drivers, bracing, XO, like you said. You cannot actively bi-amp the EMP like you can actively bi-amp the RBH.

The EMP is 47" tall and weighs 52lbs, while the SX-6300 is 44" tall and weighs 64lbs.

For the price, the EMP is definitely difficult to surpass in SQ.

Likewise, for the price, the RBH SX-8300 is definitely difficult to surpass in SQ.

I think the EMP measured with the feet on, while the SX6300 is without the feet/outriggers. At least I think that's what I came to when I was comparing them. The driver spacing and location look identical though, along with the driver sizes. The RBH lists the midranges at 4", while the EMP lists their midrange at 5.25", but honestly..they look the same if you look at them closely. From surround to surround, the EMP is definitely NOT 5.25"

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I think the EMP measured with the feet on, while the SX6300 is without the feet/outriggers. At least I think that's what I came to when I was comparing them. The driver spacing and location look identical though, along with the driver sizes. The RBH lists the midranges at 4", while the EMP lists their midrange at 5.25", but honestly..they look the same if you look at them closely. From surround to surround, the EMP is definitely NOT 5.25"

Do you use Dynamic EQ on your Denon? Dynamic Volume off?

 

[agarwalro]

rag doll

Now you got me humming Aerosmith .

Not everyone wants a subwoofer. Hard to believe, but true. A lot of people just want the 2 towers.

I totally believe it. A lot of folks want 2.0 due to lack of space, preference or a sense of "purity" to 2.0 recording being played back or lack of confidence in bass management. To each their own.

The Salon2 can go down to 23Hz.

How much do these cost again, $10K b-stock if someone plays their cards right .

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

How much do these cost again, $10K b-stock if someone plays their cards right .

I don't know anything about that.

 

[ousooner2]

Do you use Dynamic EQ on your Denon? Dynamic Volume off?

Yuppp

Dynamic EQ - On
Dynamic Vol. - Off
MultEQ - On (Audyssey FLAT)

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yuppp

Dynamic EQ - On
Dynamic Vol. - Off
MultEQ - On (Audyssey FLAT)

Have you ever tried to manually increase all speaker channel levels by 1dB or 2dB or 3dB to see how it affects Dynamic EQ?

 

[ousooner2]

Nope. What effect would that have? Would it not compensate?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Nope. What effect would that have? Would it not compensate?

No, it would increase DEQ effect.