Elemental Designs A7-450 ported NOT sealed

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Sick Mother

Audiophyte
Hello everyone. I'm new to the forum and still learning about subs, so I thought I would ask you guys for some help. I wanted an Epik Conquest, but since it is no longer made, the A7-450 seems like the closest thing. I noticed some people had less than stellar experiences 1-2 years ago, which leads to my question: do you believe the new (as of a year or so ago) A7-450 is all that? I noticed Mike C. said it had enormous output and great sq, but was problematic. Assuming i bought one (in working order), is this an amazing sub, or is it just not worth it? I want to like the sub but there is little to no info on it since they redid it. Just an FYI: I have an M&K MX 350THX sub now for approx 95% movies which is very nice, but I'm looking for more of everything. Any thoughts?

Thanks so much in advance.

John
 
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jamie2112

Banned
I have not heard the sub myself,but what is your budget for a sub and how big is your room?
 
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Sick Mother

Audiophyte
My budget is $2,000 and under. I am looking at one of their veneers which would put the unit right at my budget. The room isn't huge (I live in a townhouse now) but I want to future proof myself by getting more than I need or likely could possibly ever want.

John
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
You could contact Epik and see if they can do dual Empires with wood veneer.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
I think the A7 would be a very good sub. There probably isn't anything that can approach its output or extension at that price point. I would guess not even dual Epik Empires could touch it. I can't even believe a Submersive or PB13 ultra would match it either, or even come close. I think the only reason it isn't more popular is because it is so huge and heavy. If you can accommodate it's size and weight, I say go for it. I have read it has been through some redesigns since the reports of its problems, so I think it should be cool to order. You should contact ED and ask them about it though.
 
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Ron Temple

Senior Audioholic
I would guess not even dual Epik Empires could touch it. I can't even believe a Submersive or PB13 ultra would match it either, or even come close.
Dual Empires outgun them all through the meat of the FR (not at 20hz) per Chad. A pair has about 3db of headroom over his Conquest (which has got to be close to the A7-450).
 
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Sick Mother

Audiophyte
Ron, would it be your guess that dual Empires would fall off considerably compared to an A7-450 at and below 20hz? Or do you think it would be very comparable?

John
 
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Ron Temple

Senior Audioholic
Ron, would it be your guess that dual Empires would fall off considerably compared to an A7-450 at and below 20hz? Or do you think it would be very comparable?

John
It would depend alot on the room gain. However, the ported monster would definitely be more visceral near tuning. The Empires I've seen measured seem to get into the teens without too much playing around and my experience with sealed and ported subs is that you need to trim alot of SPL below 30hz on ported subs to sound flat, but not much or any with sealed subs. It's a matter of taste as to what you prefer. The Empires strength is sound quality and good power throughout the range with very good midbass impact. The ED would be a powerhouse down low, probably need to be trimmed (for my taste) and might or might not sound as good through the meat...I'm just guessing ;).
 
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Sick Mother

Audiophyte
Ron, could you please clarify for me what you mean by "trim"? Does this mean EQ? And if so, would the eq.2 that ED includes be sufficient? Also, are they easy to use? I have never used one.

Thanks again.

John
 
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skers_54

Full Audioholic
Ron, could you please clarify for me what you mean by "trim"? Does this mean EQ? And if so, would the eq.2 that ED includes be sufficient? Also, are they easy to use? I have never used one.

Thanks again.

John
Trim means using an EQ to reduce output at certain frequencies. I use an eq.2 with my DIY ported sub and it works well within its limitations. There's only 2 filters, limited Q available and it requires some trial-and-error as the knobs are a bit small for precise tuning. To me, its best use is for fine-tuning a dual-sub setup that's used bass traps and positioning to counter most of the serious errors.

I picked it up because it has a high-pass filter. Whether it would work for you depends a lot on how difficult your room is.
 
BufordTJustice

BufordTJustice

Junior Audioholic
Sickmother,

Please tolerate a re-posting of the review of my recently purchased A7s-450. Warning: there is some gushing present.

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I have had my A7s-450 for almost two weeks now. I begged the wife to let me get it as I already had an A2-300 that has worked wonders in our old, smaller living room. However, a new house meant more room and a higher ceiling...the A2-300 was struggling on some movie scenes that had the lowest bass (i.e, Master and Commander, Terminator, etc.) as I had to turn the gain higher than before, despite a corner location. I just needed to move more air.

I e-chatted with Brett to great effect; he was very knowledgeable from a design standpoint and had much insight into what was mechanically and electrically required from a subwoofer to accurately reproduce bass. I learned a lot and centered on the A5-350 15" ported and the A7s-450 18" sealed units. Brett helped me figure out how much air i needed to move (as in total driver linear displacement and the proper amp power to take advantage of it.) and the type of sound I was looking for for my music listening. We had an extremely productive chat and Brett was both very friendly and very professional. I was taken aback because it was much more like speaking with a friend on IM than a person I've never met in Iowa (I'm in Florida). His open-ness to share specific figures and specs on his products sold me. Having a background in live pro-sound mixing, I know enough to know that he did not BS me. Not even once. He didn't even try...he just knew his stuff inside and out. Then I pried it out of him....he had a direct hand in the actual DESIGN of several eD sealed subwoofers, to include the A7s-450. We talked turkey for about 15 minutes and then I let him go. NO pressure and he got ZERO info from me. There was no guarantee of a sale on his part...he just poured out the info.

Days later, I spoke with Matt over the phone, who was equally knowledgeable and helpful. I verified the free eQ.2 promo for the A7s-450 and ordered one over the phone. Wam, bam, thank-you-ma'am. No hassle and I was G2G.

I received it via, as always, free shipping. This sub was so big, I had to un-pack it completely just to fit it in my Hyundai Elantra (don't try this at home boys and girls). After a few sacrificial (and permanent) modifications to my front passenger seat, two little helpers at the UPS depot, I shoe-horned the beast in. :)

After getting it home and turned-on, it was a revelation; the sub just had no limits in my new living room. This was before tweaking via the included eQ.2 (a steal, I might add). I went to bed, perfectly happy with my purchase.

A few days later I found the time to fiddle with the eQ.2 Long story short, you can dial this sub to make it sound like whatever you want in your room. I've got the mid-bass shelved by about 6db from 60-65Hz on up and the low EQ centered on 25Hz with a Q of 2 and about 7 or 8 dB of boost. It's dynamic from barely audible night-time everyone-else-is-sleeping volume levels to neighborhood-rapport-destroying levels with Terminator:Salvation, Transformers II RoTF, and Master & Commander. Amazing output at well below 20 Hz. I test-toned it down to about 10Hz. Amazing. Just stupid levels of sound from this thing. It left me shaking my head at how low it went and still maintained its composure....it just kept getting louder and louder...I decided to stop testing as it was getting late and the sub just kept getting louder. I became legitimately concerned that it was going to break my sliding-glass-door as it was sitting not far from it.

Music performance is as accurate as I could ever hope. It's dynamic and impactful. It sounds great with Metallica, Anberlin, MuteMath, Diana Krall (her damn-near-perfectly recorded 'Live in Paris'), Van Morrison, Dave Brubek, AC-DC ('Shoot to Thrill' and 'Thunderstruck' will change your life using this sub), John Mayer, Michael Jackson, Jack Johnson, Black Eyed Peas, Red, Breaking Benjamin, Bach, Handel, U2, etc. It sounded great with everything I played through it...Once I got the levels dialed in, NO further adjustments were needed. I have never experienced this...it just disappeared and added depth and impact to what I thought were familiar recordings. Every song had added depth and the soundstage seemed HUGE....much bigger than the room....especially with live recordings (like U2's 'Live in Chicago' DVD). The eQ.2 adds so much versatility to this sub...they should be considered a pair. You can adjust the sub to even out your room response in so many ways, it would be worth the price of the upgrade (even though it's free now). Just amazing. I haven't heard ANYTHING any where near this price point that can even match this performance in a regular guy's living room. I do not have any sound treatments or other goodies...I have a wife who uses her magnifying glass about what the room looks like. The sub sounds so good, she even passes it now. She was able to clearly articulate that it sounds MUCH better than ANY theater she has ever been to. She said that anything that 'sounds this amazing' is okay in her living room, regardless of size. She watches romantic comedies with the sound system now because even she thinks it makes the closing of doors and city scenes seem more real. Who am I to argue? ;)

I can whole-heartedly recommend this sub. The only thing I could imagine that would be better than an A7s-450 would be TWO A7s-450's. :)
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This can also be found on the A7s-450 review page in its entirety.

I have had zero turn-on issues. I'm running it on the same circuit as a Behringer EP4000 that is running my mains. I've tried to induce the CB to trip, with no success. I could not be happier. It keeps sounding better every passing day.....i got it also so I didn't have that lingering anxiety that I am about to bottom my sub while I'm showing off for my friends on Iron Man. The sub has so much headroom in my listening room as to make the issue of 'limits' above 20Hz moot to me. Feel free to PM, SickMother, if you have any other Q's. I lack proper RTA measuring equipment, but I have a buddy who does have a pro-audio RTA that I'm gonna be able to use when work settles down. More numbers will be forthcoming at that point.
 
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Sick Mother

Audiophyte
That looks like quite the review...for the sealed version. :)

eD really needs to change the names around a bit for better differentiantion. I get linked A7s-450 reviews all the time. I'm looking for PORTED A7-450 reviews/experiences/etc.

Are there anymore out there?

Thanks.

John
 
T2T

T2T

Senior Audioholic
eD really needs to change the names around a bit for better differentiantion. I get linked A7s-450 reviews all the time.
Agreed. Plus, when they revamp a sub (e.g. A3-300, A3-250) they should give it a new name. It's just too confusing when they totally reconfigure a sub from a down-firing to a front-firing, yet keep the same name for it. :confused:
 
BufordTJustice

BufordTJustice

Junior Audioholic
That looks like quite the review...for the sealed version. :)

eD really needs to change the names around a bit for better differentiantion. I get linked A7s-450 reviews all the time. I'm looking for PORTED A7-450 reviews/experiences/etc.

Are there anymore out there?

Thanks.

John
*Egg on my face*

Sorry brother. I agree that they do need to change the names...sorry for clogging your thread with non-relevant info.
 
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