DVD-R recorder or DVD+R recorder?

[derekwwww]

Is the only difference between DVD-R recorder and DVD+R recorder that each kind plays only on players that play dvd-r or +r? and that most older players are dvd-r and most new ones will be dvd+r?

thanks

 

[BMXTRIX]

Both formats came out at about the same time. Newer DVD recorders support both formats. Check out the Sony recorder for details and remember that if you want to move towards HDTV, DVD recorders do not support HD - or even progressive scan inputs.

 

[Duffinator]

Are you talking about for a PC or a component with your HT? I have a DVD+R burner and have had no compatibility problems with any DVD players I have tried them in including my second generation Toshiba player that is 6 or 7 years old, way before DVD burners were around. Most new burners are compatible with both formats. As for the individual components that record and burn DVD's all I can say is Pioneer's were originally DVD-R and Sony's were DVD+R. I have no idea what they are now.

 

[calgarianperson]

typically dvd-r is reccomended for video (its what i use) and dvd+r for data. i recently bought one for my pc and the guy sold me some 200 dollar one for 70 and told me that it would be best if i got a multi format since it is really annoying if there is compatibility issues.

 

[derekwwww]

Hi, yes I am talking about a home theatre unit not for my computer. So for a guy who wants to record television shows and backup movies and stuff it doesn't really matter what kind I get correct? It seems that dvd+r units are quite a bit cheaper then the dvd-r units.

 

[BMXTRIX]

If that is what you want to do, then it really doesn't matter. I have actually personally experienced more success with DVD+R with video instead of DVD-R which I have seen fail on multiple discs.

Do a little shopping though as there most definitely are dual format recorders available, though I am not sure how much they cost. Almost all new players are designed to play back all formats and most recorders, even if they can't record all formats, can still play back all formats.

 

[jzac]

I second BMTRIX's opinion on the DVD+r format, because I go through a ton of these +R discs for video work daily, and it is by far the most compatible across DVD players than the -R format, especially if you are talking about older DVD players. I used to use the -R format before I switched over. If your DVD player can read a +RW disc than that's better 'cause then you can record over it about 1000 times depending on your purpose (speed is a bit slow on the write). Price wise it is a bit more expensive than the other 2, but it is coming down fast.

As far as quality goes for video backups there is very minimal difference between the +/- R discs. They used to be speed difference between the two, but not these days. These days the new DVD players handle +R/-R and +RW format with ease. Then again, it depends on what sort of software and hardware you are using to burn these home videos too 'cause some of them are not 100% reliable or compatible with DVD players. Price wise the blank discs are almost the same these days, except for the +RW discs. I get better deals for most part with +R discs. Overall, I like +R discs better 'cause they are cheap, fast and compatible across most players (if not all).

 

[dm_4u]

If you are going for television shows and making dvd movies.

Get a burner like the Pio 520 with a Hard Drive that lets you make an edit, then quick burn and you will never look back.

Plus witha hard drive, after watching your tv show...you simply delete.

So I really didn't care whether a disk can be burnt 1000 times, when I can record an infinite amount to the hard drive.

Also, the +rw disk can be written to 1000 times, but it loses some pq if you stretch it to six hours and with the hard disk, I can record over 30 hours at top rate.

To me...it's a real no-brainer...get rid of that vcr

 

[diggerdave]

is it possible to record hdtv onto a hard drive??

 

[dm_4u]

Not happening with ANY dvd recorder yet.

In fact, that is one of the reasons few, (if any), DVD recorders have DD inputs.

 

[diggerdave]

http://www.dishnetwork.com/downloads/pdf/product_brochures/RETAIL_1293_DISH921_UPDATE.pdf

here's a SatDish/OTA tuner with 250G hd that records hdtv. so my question is why is someone offering a dvd/hdtv recvr combo ???

 

[BMXTRIX]

is it possible to record hdtv onto a hard drive??

HD DVRs definitely exist, but at this time they are only built into DSS and cable boxes. I imagine there may be one or two out there that can be put into your PC. But, no Tivo type stand along PVR exists (that I know of) that records HDTV.

The issue is that once it is recorded, all you can do is play it back or delete it. DVD does not support HD recording, it maxes out at 480p recording, so your HD content is worthless to DVDs.

Would I buy a stand alone PVR that handles HDTV? Probably not. My cable box rental for PVR is 10 bucks a month. The PVR would probalby cost 360 bucks. That's 3 years of usage on my cable PVR and by then Blu-Ray Disc or HD-DVD will be pretty darn mainstream and will be what everyone here will probably own already.

 

[dm_4u]

Not happening with ANY dvd recorder yet.

In fact, that is one of the reasons few, (if any), DVD recorders have DD inputs.

I stand by my earlier comment...NO DVD RECORDER CAN RECORD HD YET.

Now if you want to talk about DVR's, that's a whole new ballgame.

The reason there are no HD-DVD recorders, is because the powers that be are afraid that no one would ever rent/buy any DVD's anymore.

People would simply record them to disk from HBO/Showtime or PPV and keep them and perhaps even manufacture them.

Therefore the industry will let you record HD to an HD-PVR like DISH or DIRECTV, but from there, you cannot burn a disk.

The industry is so worried about this, that HBO will be sending a write once encryption through their signal beginning this June.

What this does is this...it alows you to record onto the Hard Drive or Tivo but if you try to record from there, it scrambles the picture.

 

[BMXTRIX]

I stand by my earlier comment...NO DVD RECORDER CAN RECORD HD YET.

The reason there are no HD-DVD recorders, is because the powers that be are afraid that no one would ever rent/buy any DVD's anymore.

While that is partially true, it is not really accurate.

The reason DVD recorders don't record HD is because DVDs are NOT AN HD FORMAT! They can't handle HD and the best they provide is 480p resolution (640x480) not 1280x720 (720p) or 1920x1080 (1080i). At the end of this year there will be HD disc products, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD that will allow HD disc playback and HD recording.

So DVD doesn't do it because it can't. It doesn't have the speed, resolution, or storage capacity for HD recording.

Scrambling is digital copyright protection and is something completely different.

 

[diggerdave]

so all this has be edifying for a newbie like me but I don't want to record hdtv to dvd just a big hard drive so that I can time slip/warp OTA hdtv... so far the only unit I see that might do that is a satdish hdtv tuner... since I'm not interested in Sat I'd only be using the OTA or 1/2 the capabilities of that unit...

 

[dm_4u]

While that is partially true, it is not really accurate.

The reason DVD recorders don't record HD is because DVDs are NOT AN HD FORMAT! They can't handle HD and the best they provide is 480p resolution (640x480) not 1280x720 (720p) or 1920x1080 (1080i). At the end of this year there will be HD disc products, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD that will allow HD disc playback and HD recording.

So DVD doesn't do it because it can't. It doesn't have the speed, resolution, or storage capacity for HD recording.

Scrambling is digital copyright protection and is something completely different.

Speaking of inacurate...perhaps you need to rethink that thought...

DIVX Networks, puts an HD movie on a standard DVD using DIVX 6 aka DIVX HD compression technology.

DivX compression delivers 720p HD resolution video at 4Mbps. This means a full-length (approximately 90 minute) DivX HD movie can fit on one DVD.

DivX video is capable of supporting any resolution, including 720p, 1080i and 1080p. Because of current hardware capabilities and display technology, 720p is the most efficient and prevalent HD format. DivX HD devices that support 1080p and beyond will be available in the near future.

DivX 6 compression is so efficient that a full length (approximately 90 minutes) DivX HD movie, its standard definition version, multiple audio tracks and bonus features will all fit on a single DVD-9.

 

[BMXTRIX]

DivX encoding is not supported by the DVD forum and is not part of standard DVD playback and is not incorporated into non-PC devices. While it is a definite cutting edge technology, it is not standardized upon by a long, LONG shot. There are no consumer grade products out there that you can plug into your cable box that will allow DivX encoding and recording to a DVD.

Windows Media also allows HD recording to DVD and it has the bandwidth to support it. But, once again, really no consumer grade players/recorders, especially that average joe can simply plug into their cable box and television.

I was inaccurate in just saying 'dvd' I should have been specific: Digital Video Discs using the DVD forum encoding standards by which all manufacturers follow for DVD player and movie production was what I was referring. I was not referring to bleeding edge computer driven Codecs with almost zero market penetration and little to no major manufacturer support. If someone wants to play with DivX they better be very aware that they do so at their own risk.

Anyway, to record HD to a hard drive it is usually offerred by cable companies, Dish, and DirecTV. There are several options out there. Also, digital VCRs are available to record OTA HD to tapes.

 

[dm_4u]

DivX encoding is not supported by the DVD forum and is not part of standard DVD playback and is not incorporated into non-PC devices. While it is a definite cutting edge technology, it is not standardized upon by a long, LONG shot.

Perhaps here is where will will agree to disagree...

At the CES in Vegas two weeks ago, half the new DVD Players that will be introduced later this year will be DivX enabled.

While recording DivX is a PC trait at the moment...I would not be surprised to see it included in next years recorders with either Blu_Ray or HD-DVD, depending on whatever the Porn industry backs. They are the ones that chose VHS over Beta and my oh my...look which one won.

I do understand what you are saying, however, I merely pointed out that a DVD "can" hold an HD movie on it...providing it has the proper amount of compression.

 

[BMXTRIX]

Sorry, I was aware of that.

I really think it would be interesting if some of the newer CODECS like DivX and MPEG4 or Windows Media were added this year by the DVD forum as requirements on new DVD players and we saw a bunch of players that handled that format. Dual sided DVD's with MPEG4 encoding in HD on one side and regular MPEG2 on the other? Cost would be about the same and players would likely remain close to the current cost.

Get my wheels turning sometimes... But the blue discs are on their way since they can use less encoding or the same encoding but at higher resolutions still and still produce phenomenal video.

Either way - I wouldn't spend to much on a player or recorder unless it supported HD which is the problem right now.

 

[Duffinator]

The DivX stuff looks pretty cool. I've been checking it out for a couple of weeks but haven't burned anything with it yet. So is DivX supposed to be better than MPEG4? The problem with all these new formats is if you commit to one you want it to be around a long time. One problem I have with DivX is the name. Just reminds me too much of the Circuit City Divx that slowed the roll out of DVD's several years ago. I still don't shop there! BTW, the HD downloads of movie trailers at www.divx.com look amazing.

What I really want to know: is BMXTRIX really GREGZ with Gone With The Wind facial hair?

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