DVD player seems to have removed an instrument!

[Bassman2]

I was listening to Steely Dan's- Two Against Nature CD today, alternating between the new Denon DVD player I got and my old Phillips and noticed something strange. In the beginning of the second track there is a long sweep on one of those chime things a percussionist plays, you know like tiny wind chimes arrayed in order from low to high on a stand. Well the denon does sounds a little darker than the Phillips although with more depth, separation and bass, but this long chime on track 2 seems to almost completely disappear when played on the Denon but it's beautiful and right out front on the Phillips. Whats that all about? It's like everything else comes through but that. What is this phenomenon and is it curable? Aside from this one oddity I wish I could combine the two players and get the highs of one with everything else of the other.

 

[Seth=L]

What are the model #'s of the players? I am guessing that one has a 5.1 analog output, and that would be the Denon. If the Denon is set to analog 5.1 it is probably not going to sound right. Be sure the analog section is not set to 5.1 in the settings.

 

[Bassman2]

Hi Seth, The one with the issue is a Denon DVD 1930, and the other one is the mysterious Phillips DVD941. I don't think it's set to 5.1 but I'll check it tomorrow. I think it automatically switches to digital when the cable is hooked up. It's connection is by coax for CD and DVD and 2ch analog for SACD. It's amazing though the way this big prominant wash of chimes that is really beautiful and crystal clear on one player just disapears on the other. It's like you can hear it start and end but everything in between is barely audible. It sounds like the middle is the lowest, getting louder at the ends, but never close to the level or clarity on the other deck. It's almost completely gone! I wonder what else it's removing and why. I can still return it but would rather not.

 

[stratman]

I was listening to Steely Dan's- Two Against Nature CD today, alternating between the new Denon DVD player I got and my old Phillips and noticed something strange. In the beginning of the second track there is a long sweep on one of those chime things a percussionist plays, you know like tiny wind chimes arrayed in order from low to high on a stand. Well the denon does sounds a little darker than the Phillips although with more depth, separation and bass, but this long chime on track 2 seems to almost completely disappear when played on the Denon but it's beautiful and right out front on the Phillips. Whats that all about? It's like everything else comes through but that. What is this phenomenon and is it curable? Aside from this one oddity I wish I could combine the two players and get the highs of one with everything else of the other.

Great CD, try AJA by SD.

 

[Bassman2]

Great CD, try AJA by SD.

Why, what am I gonna lose on that one....





I only have Aja on 25+ year old vinyl.

 

[Bassman2]

Hey I fixed it!!! The Denon now puts the philips to shame on the "chime test" It was much darker although with more depth and staging and I wished I could combine the two, adding the Philips highs to the denon's everything else. I now have all that and more. This is a really nice DVD player for audio. I'm hearing whole instruments I didn't even know were there before, little details like strange instruments off in the background on the right but clear and very round sounding. Vocals are fantastic too and I'm still listening to the same Steely Dan CD that I used for the evaluation last night, over and over again so I should know it by heart.

I went over the setup again as per Seth's suggestion and I'm not sure what did it but a couple of settings were either off from where they should be or questionable. Like PCM instead of bitstream and HDMI instead of analog, but I'm using digital coax so I'm not sure what's up with that. I'll probably go over it again just out of curiosity. So thank you Seth (again) and I'm off to do some more listening.

 

[Seth=L]

I guess I didn't hit it on the head, but it got you on the right track. I figured you were using analog, so I guessed. I like to try one thing at a time, part of my process of illumination(may not be the correct spelling, someone heckle me if you know the right spelling).

Anyway, I am glad you fixed it and enjoy it. Have fun.

 

[Hi Ho]

I like to try one thing at a time, part of my process of illumination(may not be the correct spelling, someone heckle me if you know the right spelling).

Well you would be right if you were shining a light on something. (Try "elimination")

I ran into a similar issue when installing a Denon 1930 for a customer. He thought something didn't sound right and I wasn't sure what the cause was. I messed arround in the menu until I did something (don't remember) and it was better than ever.

 

[Bassman2]

Well you would be right if you were shining a light on something. (Try "elimination")

I ran into a similar issue when installing a Denon 1930 for a customer. He thought something didn't sound right and I wasn't sure what the cause was. I messed arround in the menu until I did something (don't remember) and it was better than ever.

But if done right the process IS illuminating...

 

[Seth=L]

Well you would be right if you were shining a light on something. (Try "elimination")

I would, but I cannot edit my post.

Thank you for finding the correct word.