Dream Home System Planning

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joshk03

Audioholic
As the title says, but not TV-related like you would expect. We don't really watch any TV, so I could care less about that. What I want is a zone in the Kitchen, Garage/Workshop, and Back Deck that I can stream Amazon Music and Pandora from my phone. Each zone would be a separate system.
I found a few devices that got me excited, and now I'm here for help with an Amp and comments on my decisions!

#1 - Good looking Bluetooth connection points - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LD3J4ZO/?coliid=I2G2500JQ8CDWQ&colid=1BREJJZFGUVOM&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

#2 - Highly reviewed speakers - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LGYPCMK/?coliid=I1RR2THELLZI1R&colid=1BREJJZFGUVOM&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it&th=1

#3 - The amp...
Too wimpy? - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00C2P61FO/?coliid=I3L59YN200KY0U&colid=1BREJJZFGUVOM&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Overkill? - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011TI97VE/?coliid=I2EFCAG97JRBWQ&colid=1BREJJZFGUVOM&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
Dunno, but to me, your selection of gear and "dream home" don't really seem to line up. You didn't set the bar very high for your audio expectations, it would seem.

Pyle says it right in the name, it is a "pile" of something.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
That sounds like a perfect situation for plugging powered studio monitors into Echo Dot's.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
That sounds like a perfect situation for plugging powered studio monitors into Echo Dot's.
I have no experience on that, but I would agree that this option is miles ahead of those original options.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
So 3 different Zones, each with it’s own dedicated Audio System.

That’s pretty much what most people do.

Some have a dedicated HT room (zone 1), Living Room (zone 2), Study Room (Zone 3), etc.

Many AVRs can Control 3 Zones, but if that is too complicated, then you can just get one AVR for each zone.

If you like in-walls or in-ceiling, then get in-wall or in-ceiling speakers and just add a receiver with Bluetooth, AirPlay, etc.

For most cases, you don’t even need a dedicated amp because the AVR (receiver) usually does a good job.

So give us a budget for all 3 Zones and tell us your preference of speaker types- in-wall, in-ceiling, stand-alone.
 
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joshk03

Audioholic
Pyle says it right in the name, it is a "pile" of something.
I couldn't find any competing products, How else can I get my BT signal from the garage to the server room where the receiver/amp lives? I don't want audio gear in my garage, kitchen, or deck.

That sounds like a perfect situation for plugging powered studio monitors into Echo Dot's.
I have zero interest in talking to my home. But THAT seems like lower quality than I am after. I want crystal clear sound. The system must be hum-free enough I can't hear it while laying in bed at night with the system powered on. I don't plan on shutting it down and powering it on every day. So class-D appeals to me because it's efficient.

Many AVRs can Control 3 Zones, but if that is too complicated, then you can just get one AVR for each zone.
Well complicated is undesirable, but definitely not beyond me. A single receiver would be ideal if it can connect to my wife's phone in the kitchen and play her music, and connect to my phone in the garage, and play me different music at a different volume. It should have remote Bluetooth antennas though, BT isn't going to penetrate all the walls from all directions into the server room.


So give us a budget for all 3 Zones and tell us your preference of speaker types- in-wall, in-ceiling, stand-alone.
There's no real budget, but it's going to take some convincing for me to spend more than $1000 per zone.
Ah, the question of where to put the speakers. I had speakers in the ceiling of my last home. It was nice, but because they pointed downward, there was weird coverage. When you were under the right-channel, you heard only the right channel. As you walked, the distances changed from each and they were out-of-phase. So I determined in-wall could solve this by sending the audio ACROSS the room. And the L/R would be on the same wall so speed-of-sound wouldn't be an issue. Stand alone is an option, but I think audio equipment should be heard, not seen. And I also really don't want electronics on a shelf in my kitchen, garage, deck.
 
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slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
I couldn't find any competing products, How else can I get my BT signal from the garage to the server room where the receiver/amp lives? I don't want audio gear in my garage, kitchen, or deck.



I have zero interest in talking to my home. But THAT seems like lower quality than I am after. I want crystal clear sound. The system must be hum-free enough I can't hear it while laying in bed at night with the system powered on. I don't plan on shutting it down and powering it on every day. So class-D appeals to me because it's efficient.


Well complicated is undesirable, but definitely not beyond me. A single receiver would be ideal if it can connect to my wife's phone in the kitchen and play her music, and connect to my phone in the garage, and play me different music at a different volume. It should have remote Bluetooth antennas though, BT isn't going to penetrate all the walls from all directions into the server room.



There's no real budget, but it's going to take some convincing for me to spend more than $1000 per zone.
Ah, the question of where to put the speakers. I had speakers in the ceiling of my last home. It was nice, but because they pointed downward, there was weird coverage. When you were under the right-channel, you heard only the right channel. As you walked, the distances changed from each and they were out-of-phase. So I determined in-wall could solve this by sending the audio ACROSS the room. And the L/R would be on the same wall so speed-of-sound wouldn't be an issue. Stand alone is an option, but I think audio equipment should be heard, not seen. And I also really don't want electronics on a shelf in my kitchen, garage, deck. The server room is available though.
Of all the items in Post#1, that Crown Amp is the only one that I would ever consider in my personal setup.

And, I noticed that the little amp that you linked is a "Lepy".....which is clearly a knock-off of "Lepai"!!! They even stole the old Lepai model #!

At the very least, do yourself a favor and get the real-deal Lepai! They have actually (claimed) to have improved the Lepai with the newer TI chipset. I have the legacy model Lepai simply running the speakers on my DIY arcade cabinet build.
Here is the real deal Lepai:
https://www.parts-express.com/lepai-lp-2020ti-digital-hi-fi-audio-mini-class-d-stereo-amplifier-with-power-supply--310-3000

There is indeed no reason that you should be approaching $1000 per zone, and you should still be able to get good quality audio.

Perhaps you need to consider a combination of BT and longer wire runs too.

As far as in-ceiling speakers, we often jokingly call those "the voice of God"......and they are best avoided unless you are a convenience store.

Personally, if I were looking at In-Wall speakers, I would start my search here. I'm not rec'ing these, I'm just saying I am interested in these.
http://www.classicaudioparts.com/index.php/loudspeakers.html

Personally, "multiple zones on a single AVR" is never gonna be my approach. I'm firmly in the camp of "dedicated system and AVR (or pre-amp/amp, or integrated, or powered monitors, etc) for each zone". And, I'm typically gonna have options for plugging in my phone, a CD player, a turntable, a digital streamer, etc, for each dedicated system. I likely won't have ALL of those on each system, but I will have a couple of different source input options for each zone system.

EDIT: You do realize that a BT connection and/or the sources that you are listing are not the best quality sources right out of the gate, right???

What you say you want in the end does not line up very well with the means that you are proposing to try to get there.

It really seems that your first priority is convenience and aesthetics, and audio quality is your 2nd priority.
 
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slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
For high quality streaming options, I highly rec an RPi streamer! It is not plug-and-play, but if you are willing to invest a little time, you will learn a few things and you will have a high quality streaming device for a fraction of the cost of a commercial design.

This solution connects to your network over wifi or ethernet, then you can connect to the streamer with any device that is on your network and has a web browser.

https://volumio.org/
https://volumio.org/product/allo-kali-piano-2-1-bundle/
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
If you want best quality audio why do you want bluetooth? Wifi would be better IMO and would work fine with your phones with a network enabled receiver/device.

Otherwise, like the others have said so far...
 
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joshk03

Audioholic
Personally, if I were looking at In-Wall speakers, I would start my search here. I'm not rec'ing these, I'm just saying I am interested in these.
http://www.classicaudioparts.com/index.php/loudspeakers.html
Sorry to say, but they don't look very nice on aesthetically.

EDIT: You do realize that a BT connection and/or the sources that you are listing are not the best quality sources right out of the gate, right???

What you say you want in the end does not line up very well with the means that you are proposing to try to get there.

It really seems that your first priority is convenience and aesthetics, and audio quality is your 2nd priority.
Personally I avoid BT in favor of Wifi whenever possible. Not only is it superior tech, I have an incredible router that would be anyone's envy.
As my my ends and means, that's why I'm here. I know that Pyle BT thing is a weak link in my plans. I am struggling to replace it though.
My first priority is satisfaction, which includes aesthetics and convenience. I can be geeky with the best of them, but you wouldn't know it when you walk into my home. I intend to keep it that way.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
Personally I avoid BT in favor of Wifi whenever possible. Not only is it superior tech, I have an incredible router that would be anyone's envy.
As my my ends and means, that's why I'm here. I know that Pyle BT thing is a weak link in my plans. I am struggling to replace it though.
My first priority is satisfaction, which includes aesthetics and convenience. I can be geeky with the best of them, but you wouldn't know it when you walk into my home. I intend to keep it that way.
For streaming, check out those links that I posted on post #9
 
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joshk03

Audioholic
For high quality streaming options, I highly rec an RPi streamer! It is not plug-and-play, but if you are willing to invest a little time, you will learn a few things and you will have a high quality streaming device for a fraction of the cost of a commercial design.

This solution connects to your network over wifi or ethernet, then you can connect to the streamer with any device that is on your network and has a web browser.

https://volumio.org/
https://volumio.org/product/allo-kali-piano-2-1-bundle/
I could setup a RPi, but can you demonstrate how that would be controlled from my phone? I would expect Amazon Music, Pandora, and volume control.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
I could setup a RPi, but can you demonstrate how that would be controlled from my phone? I would expect Amazon Music, Pandora, and volume control.
The volumio software runs on the RPi, and it allows for volume control.

Volumio is most often setup as a "headless streamer", meaning that it has no local control, only controlled over Wi-Fi. However, it could be set up with a local control option too

Connecting to Volumio is simple. First, you get the RPi running Volumio onto your LAN. Then, for any device on the same LAN, you simply open a web browser and type into the address bar either the RPi name or the RPi IP address.

I don't use Pandora, but I suspect Volumio will handle it.

I'm not sure about Amazon Music at all, I'm thinking it may not handle that. But, I don't think Amazon is a high quality stream either?
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
I could setup a RPi, but can you demonstrate how that would be controlled from my phone? I would expect Amazon Music, Pandora, and volume control.
I just did a quick browse on Volumio, and I saw support listed for Spotify, but not Pandora. It may be able to do it, but I didn't see it yet, may need to browse the forums over there.

Didn't see anything about Amazon.

I suspect that your requirement to stream Amazon Music is going to severely limit your options here. That is likely why the Echo Dot was recommended in a previous post.

But, you do see what I'm getting at......if your source isn't high quality, then it can't get better further down the chain, it can only stay the same quality or get worse.

Of course, with those options that you listed in post #1, you may not even notice a poor quality source, or may not know why it doesn't sound great in the end.

The old computer maxim holds true in audio too, GIGO
 
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joshk03

Audioholic
I like the music server idea. Volumio seems to be meant for playing a library. I don't have a library. That's why I like Amazon and Pandora, because they have good variety and like/dislike estimation. I would consider any music service that could offer the same.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
I like the music server idea. Volumio seems to be meant for playing a library. I don't have a library. That's why I like Amazon and Pandora, because they have good variety and like/dislike estimation. I would consider any music service that could offer the same.
Volumio also handles Web Radio pretty well.

I use it for Web Radio and accessing my library either over the network or on a local media storage device.

There are other S/W options for the RPi, I know there is also Rune Audio, and I think at least 1 more, but I'm not familiar with those at all. One of the other software options may support your preferred streaming options.

Unfortunately, I don't stream online music very often, so I'm not the best resource on those options.
 
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joshk03

Audioholic
Hmm, I googled Web Radio and found internet-radio.com. Cool stuff.
What Web Radio are you using, Slipperybidness?
What are other users using?
I usually listen to Rock, 80's, a little metal.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
Hmm, I googled Web Radio and found internet-radio.com. Cool stuff.
What Web Radio are you using, Slipperybidness?
What are other users using?
I usually listen to Rock, 80's, a little metal.
Personally, I'm a huge fan of
http://somafm.com/


They have ~25 channels or so
 
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joshk03

Audioholic
somafm doesn't seem to have anything for me. I'm still exploring internet-radio.com.
In the mean time, I am having second thoughts on cutting speakers into my walls. Any good recommendations for something to mount on a wall?
 
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