Doing 5.1 Differently

AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
That's not a bad option at all. I could do that tomorrow... or at least whenever Emotiva gets the new RSP out. I may just do that. It's not a huge expenditure in the grand scheme. From there I could just add on.

Assuming that eventually bray will start putting out more movies in 7.1, it might even be pruddent to get a 4th preamp. The upcoming bd players should have 7.1 analog out I'm assuming.

The plot thickens. Man this stuff is fun!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, this stuff is fun!:)

I made up my mind.:D

I'm getting the Denon AVP-A1HDCI (probably next year) just for the heck of it. Of course, any receiver would do, but that's just not fun enough.:D

The AVP-A1 would just hook to the 3 PMA2000s' Power Direct L+R Inputs.

Man, this is fun.:D
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
Hmmm. That's not good. Pure Direct is suppose to give you the best unaltered sound available. It should sound the clearest. What about just "Direct" or "Stereo" mode?
There's Direct, Pure Direct, and Auto Surround. Then there's also these advanced formats, not all of which are surround. There's one that Extended Stereo which I thought was pushing through the center at first but it's actually just the r/l but it definately changes the imaging in a fairly pleasing way. There's just something odd about the the direct modes. Like I said, I can't quite tell what it is, but it's losing a lot of imaging and focus if that makes any sense. It's definately different than the audio setup I had been listening to. I notice it a lot on discs that I'm very familiar with like my Telarc discs.

I'm not unhappy with the audio only performance I'm getting, I'm just not thrilled with the direct settings. I have to play more with it and do some more serious listening and testing between a couple of different setups before I can really say.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I don't know, but they just don't sound very aesthetically pleasing.:D

They just sound too "technical" and "pro-gear".
Hardly too technical. A trimmer is a potentiometer, or variable resistor. It is a passive component and has a control function only. It adds no distortion or anything deleterious.

You need ganged ones, (two on one shaft) for the surrounds,mains and center back surrounds and a single for the center. What ever is your quietest set of speakers does not have to have one. If the center is quietest you need a dual for the mains.

The preamp output goes to the outer resistor, 5 to 10 K ohm is about right. If only fine tuning is required then choose linear taper, if there are large discrepancies in channel volume then a log taper works best. The output from the sweeper goes to the input of the power amp. Grounds are common.

You use the quietest set of speakers as the reference, and then trim the pots to match with your spl. meter. I use a condenser studio microphone and mixer.

You have to buy a case for the pots. You have to drill holes to mount the pots on the front. On the back you mount female RCA sockets, one for each channel output and input. The you wire the preamp outs to the outer connectors with screened lead and wire the amp inputs to the sweeper, keeping the grounds common.

Here is a beginners guide to potentiometers.

http://sound.westhost.com/pots.htm

Here is a link to a potentiometer manufacturer. You can see the different types of controls.

http://www.ctscorp.com/components/potentiometers.htm

For this application you would need pots from this series.

http://www.ctscorp.com/components/Datasheets/270.pdf

This is a far better solution in every way to multiple preamps.

This is strange situation that has developed, as this would have been second nature to every audio enthusiast prior to 1970. Unfortunately very basic skills have become lost in this high tech age, which is a paradox.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
I think I may have already posted this before, but this thread calls for it again!

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You guys are just way beyond my technical grasp of this stuff. I should probably understand more about how these things actually work. I'm a finance guy so I don't really know the a potentia... potential... that things you were talking about really does. I've hear of it, but I don't really understand what it does or how it works.

Feel free to throw your hands up in frustration, because I serioiusly don't expect you or anyone to have to educate me to that degree.
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Hardly too technical. A trimmer is a potentiometer, or variable resistor...You need ganged ones, (two on one shaft)...The preamp output goes to the outer resistor, 5 to 10 K ohm is about right...
Was that English?:D

It sounds like the physics class that I skipped.:D

TLS Guy, this may be basic elementary concepts to you, but to Chris and to me, it is WAY over our heads!:D

You guys are just way beyond my technical grasp of this stuff. I should probably understand more about how these things actually work. I'm a finance guy so I don't really know the a potentia... potential... that things you were talking about really does. I've hear of it, but I don't really understand what it does or how it works.

Feel free to throw your hands up in frustration, because I serioiusly don't expect you or anyone to have to educate me to that degree.
Like I said, it is too technical for you and me and most people.:D
 
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