Does a terrorist that poses a threat to national security have any rights for humane treatment

haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
On 07.22.2011 Norway was shattered by the most violent terror attack in history as 77 people were gunned down in the most inhuman way, in addition to a sensless bombing that left the government building in ruins, destroying the whole block…

It's an understatement to say that people came out together... after this...


The court case against anders b. breivik was a nightmare of vision into the brain of the most cruel and sensless person in this part of the world, maybe ever… Perhaps not even during world war ii we saw such cruelty and madness… it’s beyond our wildest dreams…

I was reading the transcript from the courtcase on the day that breivik explained what he did on 07.22, and I have regretted ever since, reading that...

That day changed the face of Norway forever and country will never be the same again, even scary to think that one person alone can manage such a thing.

Now this creature of violence has started a courtcase against the Norwegian state as he claims that it’s not humane to be kept in isolation and that Norway treats him in a way that is degrading to him and breaks the human rights convention. I am shocked and beyond belief thinking that someone that killed 77 innocent persons, some of them down to the age of 11, has waved any rights for anything in the future. I understand the Norwegian police and authorities that this terrorist must be kept under lock as he will propose a threat to the national security, probably, for the rest of his life.

I can actually only imagine what kind of treatment such a guy would be facing in the US. Over here in Norway he gets a nice room, nice free food, rights to do studying through univsersity, all at the taxpayers costs… So does a terrorist that killed 77 people have any rights for humane treatments, NO

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/02/norway-rejects-anders-breivik-inhuman-prison-conditions-claim

It would be interesting to hear what would be the case in US ?
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
IMO, everyone has the right not to be tortured and truly treated in a harmful manner even if they deserve it. When it comes to being stuck in solitary? Well, you do the crime, you do the time.
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
IMO, everyone has the right not to be tortured and truly treated in a harmful manner even if they deserve it.
Agreed.

Now this creature of violence has started a courtcase against the Norwegian state as he claims that it’s not humane to be kept in isolation and that Norway treats him in a way that is degrading to him and breaks the human rights convention.
If they were keeping him in solitary confinement merely for the sake of trying to torture him, he might have a point. However, its a reasonable precaution both for his safety and that of everyone else. I mean, which is more degrading to his human rights, being in solitary confinement or getting beaten and killed by a group of patriotic inmates?
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Absolutely they have him in solitary to keep him out of the general population. Just recently the Aurora gunman James Holmes was assaulted during a routine activity where he was exposed to another inmate. He is also completely isolated from other inmates for the same exact reason and is to only be interacted with by staff.
 
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Chu Gai

Audioholic Samurai
I don't see, given the crime committed and the very real danger he poses to the general prison population, how this can be considered inhumane. All these nuts wind up attracting admirers and I'm sure he gets his share of love letters. I don't know the particulars of this UN Human Rights thing but I'd say that it applies to humans. This person long ago ceased being a human and IMO out to have been executed. It's not like this is a murder case with just circumstantial evidence. It's clear.

What happens to him after his time is up?
 
avliner

avliner

Audioholic Chief
...I don't know the particulars of this UN Human Rights thing but I'd say that it applies to humans. This person long ago ceased being a human and IMO out to have been executed. It's not like this is a murder case with just circumstantial evidence. It's clear....
You said it all Chu ;)
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
First of all, this terrorist is on vacation having standards equalling a high-level resort... he just can't talk to people... the cost to taxpayers money is insane... this by itself is a question that could be discussed...

The main area of conflict is due to the total level of isolation, he has been in total isolation since the day of the attack, and the main reasoning for this is that this guy is so dangerous and also having supporters. Authorities must at any cost stop him from communicating any sort of messages to these his supporters.

I think I remember that he got love letters and proposal for marriage via mail and so on, I think there's still quite a lot of supporters, for some reason it was an overweight of Swedish nationality, at least it's what media claimed for.

I am a strong supporter of the authorities's strong position in this case, I think it's the general opinion in the country too; and I hope it will be the same way forwards on. Remember, mostly all of the 77 persons killed in the insane shooting were members of the Youth division of the Labour Party, by far the largest Norwegian political party.

His time may, hopefully, never be out... how can he be let out into the free again?

This guy may not only be a threat to Norway, but possibly also on a wider geographical level, so he better be kept under the lid!

He's convicted to a special sort of custody, that as far as I understand will always be susceptible to re-evaluation when the time expires; If at that time he is evaluated to be a security risk, this time can be extended; and this can go on indefinitely.

Theoretically he may be out again, but hopefully not.

This is the one out of two times for the last 20 years that I can remember the Norwegian general public claiming that the death penalty would be justifiable (but of course we don't have death penalty). From another point of view it's probably more of a punishment to sit in a jail for the rest of your life.
 
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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
IMO, the only "rights" somebody like this has, is the right to exist... unless the courts also take that "right". This means food, water and shelter to survive. Basic medical care. Just the necessities. No extras, no frills, no luxuries, no comforts. No rehabilitation. No distractions. No improvements. Just existence. Period.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
I don't think we as human do have the right to take away the right for a person to exist, although in this case, I'm really not sure...
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
I don't see, given the crime committed and the very real danger he poses to the general prison population, how this can be considered inhumane. All these nuts wind up attracting admirers and I'm sure he gets his share of love letters. I don't know the particulars of this UN Human Rights thing but I'd say that it applies to humans. This person long ago ceased being a human and IMO out to have been executed. It's not like this is a murder case with just circumstantial evidence. It's clear.
What happens to him after his time is up?
The average person may find being locked up for life, real punishment. The problem is, to a real criminal or killer it's not. It's a badge of honor and three hots and a cot, books, TV, free medical and dental.

As we soften as a society.... or as it's euphemistically called being civilized; real criminals and terrorists laugh and simply see it as weakness.
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
I don't think we as human do have the right to take away the right for a person to exist, although in this case, I'm really not sure...
Consider it from this perspective: one's rights only extend so far as they don't impinge upon the rights of others. One example is the right to free speech: we can't just randomly yell "fire" in a crowded theater. In this case, the man is akin to a rabid dog. Even behind bars, there's a significant risk of biting a caretaker (injuring/killing a guard) or another inmate. Moreover, on the outside chance that he should escape, he presents a serious threat to society as a whole.
 
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Chu Gai

Audioholic Samurai
I don't recall the circumstances by which the shooter was apprehended but I think in situations such as this a bona fide sharpshooter would be most valued in delivering the taxpayer relief shot.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
A paradox is that those people who had their children murdered is also paying for the cost of keeping that guy in prison... via their state taxes... The cost for this one person is in excess of $3500 every day...

This is in addition to the 120 Million $ damage that he caused
The cost of the court case was $250.000 per day (it lasted around 4 mths)
In addition a few hundred thousand dollars to rebuild the jail to cater for increased security
I'm sure it's lots more

And now it goes on and on as he made a court case against the Norwegian state

Actually I remember now from the court-case that one of the judges was taken off the trial as he stated before the trial that he considered death-penalty to be appropriate...
 
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j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
No, what I am saying is, if it was a dog it would be put down. This guy not only shouldn't be complaining, he should be thankful that he isn't handed over to the families of those who he killed or injured.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
I know... I worked with a guy that had his 17 year old niece killed... Kindness was not in his thoughts...
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
I know... I worked with a guy that had his 17 year old niece killed... Kindness was not in his thoughts...
Should someone so much as hurt a hair of the people I love, there will be vengeance. Laws and repercussions be damned. And, truck forgiveness too. There will be pain inflicted, lots of it for a long time.

Ironically, in the US it is more expensive to have someone be given death sentence when compared to life in prison without parole sentences.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2011/09/22/death-and-taxes-the-real-cost-of-the-death-penalty
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Mine's a polarizing position of practicalities: I don't believe people like this need be a drain on the taxpayer.

They aren't redemptive, nor would I want to redeem a mass murderer.

I'm at a loss for how a bullet isn't good enough for him.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I say yes, they do deserve humane treatment. They should be put down in the quickest method possible. If it's painless, all the better.
 
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