SteveSatch
Audioholic Intern
PM sent cause I could actually use it
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Chu Gai
Audioholic Samurai
Steve, aren't you owed some stuff or are you hoping that discretion is the better part of valor.
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Mac11700
Junior Audioholic
Steve..sorry..it's already been asked for..like 30 minutes after my post by 2 other people..apparently they don't have a problem buying from them either..I am PM'ng the individual and asking his permission to post his PM to me so good ole Kyle at av123 can see it's on the up and up..since he's over here a-lot reading what is being said..this way I don't have to deal with them anymore..
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rseynaev
Enthusiast
Hi Mac,
PM replied back to. Thanks. Kyle - I am interested in Mac's credit for possible use on an LS Center if/when it comes out.
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Randy
tesseract
Audioholic
Ok, that is funny. I hope it was a joke, anyway...
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Mac11700
Junior Audioholic
Here's Randy's PM Kyle..just so you know it's legit
Randy..I'll PM you my mailing address for the funds..($.01)
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tesseract
Audioholic
HA! Ok, that IS funny.
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Chu Gai
Audioholic Samurai
Maybe you can ask Field Marshal Steidle if he can check with Sybil, aka TADG, aka MLS, aka the Humbly Bumbly one, if the $100 coupon can be used to buy some of the stuff he has for sale on craigslist.
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Chu Gai
Audioholic Samurai
I called it first! It was a good game though. I never knew whether to wear the cap backwards or not.
BTW, I just did a search under MLS's name and whoever posted it is right. Can't find a single post. But not to worry Mark. I archived all the raffle posts you were involved in a long time ago. I think the authorities did too but I've got them just in case. Also, when you switched providers you might have neglected to remember that they've got backups too. Seems the provider might just know someone whom you let go out of the goodness of your pride and passionate heart. You know, the guy you met in court yesterday? Your underfunding lives on buddy.
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mziegler
Audioholic
Eliminating the posts is kind of amazing. I assume it is an attempt to keep the brand alive, but at this point don't you think it would be smarter to start over with a new company? It is not as if one can separate av123 and Schifter.
Stereodude
Senior Audioholic
I'm not sure the authorities will smile on VA321's / MLS's / TADG's attempts to destroy evidence.
gonk
Full Audioholic
Deleting all of Mark's posts? That's sort of embarrassing - like a cheesy effort at revisionist history. Denying the man ever existed isn't going to fix their problems. It might be of interest to the Colorado DA, though, as it would wipe out all the threads Mark started about raffles (as well as a lot of other threads that look sort of bad in hindsight). I doubt that the authorities have failed to save copies of at least the most critical threads and there's a lot of stuff hiding in places like Google's cache, but the act of removing those posts might look a bit bad in court. It's also yet another example of how worthless their forum has become thanks to their absurd moderation policies.I was told via PM that all of mls's post have gone missing over there now,including the one about the Rocket contest I won a gift coupon on .I wonder if they actually think that is going to help
I wonder if that means "Mark's Place" is gone now, too?
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mziegler
Audioholic
I don't think forum posts constitute evidence unless the authorities specifically subpoenaed the contents of the web site.
Still, it is hard to believe the arrogance/stupidity/______(fill in the blank) of admitting "underfunding" in public.
Still, it is hard to believe the arrogance/stupidity/______(fill in the blank) of admitting "underfunding" in public.
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gonk
Full Audioholic
Oh that is just perfect! If Mark actually tries to take this case in front of a judge, I could see this sort of behavior reflecting badly on him - and hurting the company as well.
Trying to create the image of AV123 without MLS as an integral component is not likely to fool many people. Having TADG rattling around at the same time is just that much sillier. Seems like an ill-conceived plan, although it's hardly the first time we've seen an ill-conceived plan from AV123.
MinusTheBear
Audioholic Ninja
The idea of "business as usual" is ludicrous. The joint business venture with TADG is a complete joke. The idea to start a higher end product line in which customers need to drop thousands of dollars to purchase their products is one of the dumbest ideas ever to regain a customer base. Their loyal customer base has vanished, they have no way to market their products beyond their forum and their email list in the database. Nobody will be recommending their products and if someone does, another individual will inform them of threads such as these.
Who's wonderful idea was it to start a high end product line? Secondly, how do they expect people to drop thousands of dollars on these products if they make it to market? They are the laughing stock of the industry.
The idea to start a higher end product line in which customers need to drop thousands of dollars to purchase their products is one of the dumbest ideas ever to regain a customer base. Their loyal customer base has vanished, they have no way to market their products beyond their forum and their email list in the database. Nobody will be recommending their products and if someone does, another individual will inform them of threads such as these.Who's wonderful idea was it to start a high end product line?
Secondly, how do they expect people to drop thousands of dollars on these products if they make it to market? They are the laughing stock of the industry.
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Mac11700
Junior Audioholic
It would make sense if they started over with a new company and company name.There has been enough press on his indictment that there is enough of a stigma attached now only people who don't care what has happened or are totally ignorant of everything that has transpired that will buy from them.Who knows,from the responses I got for my GC,I think the prior reasoning is more factual.
I was going through my spam folder last night,and saw this old story from February. Don't know if I ever saw mention of this particular one or not back then,but thought it relevant to the topic at hand.,but thought it relevant to the topic at hand.
http://hometheaterreview.com/av123coms-mark-schifter-indicted-in-colorado-for-alleged-charity-fraud-/
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abboudc
Audioholic Chief
You guys inspired me... i unsubscribed to their "newsletters" yesterday, and put a link to the Audioholics indictment article in the reason field.
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rseynaev
Enthusiast
Just to be clear, I no longer recommend AV123 speakers to my family or friends. The only reason I would consider purchasing (as in the case of an LS Center) is to round off my current investment. I will do no pre-pays. I have no delusions of the center coming to fruition anytime soon or if it does and the price is as inflated as the advertised LS4s then I will not purchase.I think you need to re-read this topic a few times until it sinks in.
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Mac11700
Junior Audioholic
Smart choice,and since you plan on waiting until it does come out,I wouldn't be holding my breath till it does.
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Jed M
Full Audioholic
What really is disturbing about this whole thing is Mark could have been furiously selling off everything on Craig's list years ago to pay for whatever he was taking the raffle money for, but only now will he part with his personal possessions when his *** is truly on the line and as the very last resort. I would hope that selling your stuff wouldn't be the last resort above stealing from charity, but there you go.
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