Do I need a power conditioner?

KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I can make the below arguments against getting a power conditioner.
However, I may not fully understand the benefits of having one.
Am I missing anything?

1) I seem to live in a "no strike" zone. IME, lightning does tend to strike the same location twice (and more). I have lived places where lightening strikes were to be expected. My current home seems to be pretty safe. I have been here for 6 years and haven't seen any indication of line surges during storms (or otherwise). We do have the occasional power outage, but they never seem to be "near" or intense events.
2) I don't like sinking money into disposable items. I learned from buying quality cordless tools that batteries will only last ~6 years and then the cost of new batteries will exceed the cost of buying a more capable unit including equivalent (or better) batteries. I'm not a contractor, so I now buy the Ryobi or Hitachi stuff. Is this analogy fair for power conditioners?
3) I expect to relocate in about 6 years, and since the state of electrical surges will be an unknown in the new home, I do plan to buy a conditioner then. Will I miss out on anything in the meantime?
Thanks,
Kurt
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
I can make the below arguments against getting a power conditioner.
However, I may not fully understand the benefits of having one.
Am I missing anything?

1) I seem to live in a "no strike" zone. IME, lightning does tend to strike the same location twice (and more). I have lived places where lightening strikes were to be expected. My current home seems to be pretty safe. I have been here for 6 years and haven't seen any indication of line surges during storms (or otherwise). We do have the occasional power outage, but they never seem to be "near" or intense events.
2) I don't like sinking money into disposable items. I learned from buying quality cordless tools that batteries will only last ~6 years and then the cost of new batteries will exceed the cost of buying a more capable unit including equivalent (or better) batteries. I'm not a contractor, so I now buy the Ryobi or Hitachi stuff. Is this analogy fair for power conditioners?
3) I expect to relocate in about 6 years, and since the state of electrical surges will be an unknown in the new home, I do plan to buy a conditioner then. Will I miss out on anything in the meantime?
Thanks,
Kurt
A power conditioner will only do so much with a lightning strike and if it's located far (more than a few yards) from the service entrance, it does less. Usually, if the voltage is high enough, sacrificial parts inside fail and break the circuit. The surge protector is toast but if it reacts fast enough, the equipment connected to it is OK.

A good analogy, not really. Batteries have a limit on how many times they can be charged, discharged and re-charged. The charge and discharge cycle generates heat and the rate of each affects how much heat. Leaving batteries in the charger is about the worst thing that can be done to them because, even though the charging indicator may not be on, it's still receiving voltage and this also causes heat. LiI batteries rebound better than NiCd but once they reach a certain charge level, the wheels fall off very quickly and they can be damaged, so the manufacturers make it impossible to use them once this point has been reached by installing a control chip. This chip stores charge.discharge data and a thermal history, so they can tell if the battery has been used normally or if it was abused/used improperly. They do this because I think we all know people who were so hard on them that they burst and then they say "I don't know what happened, it just started smoking", or something like that.

If you don't have light bulbs and motors dying faster than you think is normal, you may not have a problem but the best thing to do is monitor the actual voltage. A couple of brands have software and an ethernet port so you can see the range of voltage.
 
Quickley17

Quickley17

Audioholic
So would you say that a well made, properly sized surge protector is a better investment than a power conditioner?
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
So would you say that a well made, properly sized surge protector is a better investment than a power conditioner?
A power conditioner isn't just a surge suppressor and who makes/designs it will determine what it does and how well. Furman crowbars the line at 180VAC, where some don't do much until over 300VAC and I don't want anything close to 300VAC going into anything but my table saw, air compressor or the welder I sometimes borrow. Sensitive electronics don't do well after voltage extremes and low is sometimes as bad, depending on what it is. A voltage regulator is another device and these can be expensive but again, it's all in the design and parts selection. For big surges, they should be dumped to earth ASAP. Ripple and noise can be eliminated but that's filtering, not necessarily suppression.

If the equipment is in a location that doesn't see large surges, a basic one can work. In a place where major voltage fluctuations are common and caused by heavy industry, more than a cheap power strip may be needed.
 
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