DLP and Xbox

[RaelAerosolking]

When the installer from Magnolia set-up my Mits 55" DLP TV - He told my wife that we shouldnt use a PS2 or XBOX on this TV. He had one and burned in a permanant image and ruined his TV.
Is this true? What the hey? Should I grouse at Magnolia? Why would this be an issue for DLP.

Thanks!

stuartshader@yahoo.com

 

[Audioholics]

There are no burn-in issues with DLP. He is obviously confusing DLP with another technology. Professional installers know this stuff, lower-wage retail installers can be hit or miss.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

Static images from games (Player 1, clocks, life bars, etc) can burn in CRT if left on long enough. Stop by a video-game arcade, most of the games older than a year will have it to some degree. Of course other sources can cause burn-in: I know one lady that has the QVC logo burned into her Sony widescreen.

 

[Audioholics]

Static images from games (Player 1, clocks, life bars, etc) can burn in CRT if left on long enough. Stop by a video-game arcade, most of the games older than a year will have it to some degree. Of course other sources can cause burn-in: I know one lady that has the QVC logo burned into her Sony widescreen.

Yes, but irrelevant to the post which is regarding a DLP set.

 

[BMXTRIX]

While I'm just repeating what Clint said and he's da' man, it is not possible to burn in DLP. They utilize mirrors - really small ones. There is nothing that can be 'burned-in' with them. Neither DLP, nor LCD suffers from image burn-in. Only CRT (of the 3 major rear projection formats) does suffer from burn-in.

Play away!

 

[Rob Babcock]

I'll add that you've never truly played HALO 'til you've played it on a 100" screen!

 

[BMXTRIX]

I'm amazed at how many of my friends can't play video games on my projector. They say that they get motion sickness. No, I'm not kidding, and I've gotta admit that in some 'spinning' scenes I have felt it myself. But, several of my friends just end up putting down the controller after a while because their stomach gets upset.

Weird for guys who have no problems doing backflips on their bikes in real life.

 

[Takeereasy]

My friends girlfriend is an operations manager for Cineplex Odeon, a movie theater chain up here. When Halo 2 was being launced Cineplex held a launch party 2 weeks before the game was released. She had two passes to get people into the premier, she gave them to my freind, who gave one to me. God bless that woman. Rob you really haven't played Halo untill you've played against 15 other people on a movie screen. I guess that would be about 20' by 30'. Talk about no where to run to baby, nowhere to hide.

Bmxtrix is right, 2 out of the 16 in my theater got ill. I don't think one made the restroom.

 

[Audioholics]

I'm amazed at how many of my friends can't play video games on my projector. They say that they get motion sickness.

I had this experience playing Knights of the Old Republic in the new (coming soon) Reference System 2. I rented that game (didnt think it was all that great BTW) and noticed that I was looking around too much. Halo doesn't get me motion sick at all (probably because its FPS - one direction of sight), but for some reason certain games can have that effect...

 

[nick_danger]

I got rid of my DLP due almost entirely to the rainbow effect, which really stands out in videogames because the action forces you to look all over the the screen very quickly. Most movies and TV shows are centrally focused, so it's less noticeable. That being said, my plasma is a perfect match for my Xbox and PC gaming needs!

... and to reiterate, burn-in was never an issue, and as far as I know, is still just a bunch of BS to get you to buy warranty plans...

 

[evhudsons]

I love my xbox on the wall!

I now have xbox projected on the wall (no screen) and love it. It is 10' diagonal, or about 8' x 4'. It is a sharp xv-z2000 dlp and I have no rainbow effect. The only time I can see anything is when my computer is projected, when I look away quickly from the mouse. It is out of the corner of my eye. I can't imagine for the life of me people getting upset, or sick. I got motion sickness playing too long on crimson skies on my rear projection 56inch, but it is awesome now on my wall. I was going to get a screen, but now see no real reason too. When the projector is off, my living room looks normal with a simple stereo system, speakers, plants, etc...
But when I turn on the projector, I am in another world. Halo2 is good, but try playing Doom3, or Amped2. Very nice games on the wall. Doom3 scares me though, so I only playonline live with others, otherwise it's too spooky. I was worried about rainbow effects, no problem with that. I was worried about ambient light, no prob there either, and the picture isn't too big, just right. Plasma can cause burn in like crt, but not lcd or dlp. I hooked up a home theater pc to the projector for a true hd pure digital picture. WOW!
I got my projector from digitalliquidators.com for $2850, and the brand new top of the line pc 3ghz 200gbt hd, digital optical output etc... from ebay for $685. My reciever is Kenwood from ecost.com. The rest of my stuff I have pieced over the years. All I can say is that no one leaves my house without re-thinking their idea of home theater and home entertainment. This forum helped me greatly as I spent hours a day for months racking my brain on the many decisions to be made when buying a Hidef tv or projector. So thanks to all of you, I am one happy man.
My xbox name is "islandberserker", so if you see me there, I am a fun player.
later,
everett

 

[nick_danger]

That's a lot of great info "islandberserker"! I'll have to play Doom3 online with you one of these days. We can trade off holding the flashlight while the other lays waste with the shotgun!

Amped 2 is still one of the, if not the, best looking games on Xbox. It's a nearly flawless 720p image and it's fun! My HTPC (3GHz, Raptor RAID, Audigy4Pro, Dual-DVI output) plays games like UT2004 at the highest resolutions with all the effects without slowing down. Needless to say, it looks great on my plasma.

There was a time that I left my Internet Explorer window open and my plasma on for about half a day. After I closed the window, I could still see a mild trace of the window, but it went away as soon as I started watching a movie. I don't have a very expensive display either, and it's about a year old now, so I still think burn-in is a bunch of hooey. It's possible it has a mild lasting effect, but I can't see it. The technology only gets better...

 

[jad]

Static images from games (Player 1, clocks, life bars, etc) can burn in CRT if left on long enough. Stop by a video-game arcade, most of the games older than a year will have it to some degree. Of course other sources can cause burn-in: I know one lady that has the QVC logo burned into her Sony widescreen.

I just purchased a Sony tube 36 HD wega. Is it possible to get burn in on something like that? Honestly I play halo 2 every night on xbox live. But I only play about 2 to 3 hours at the most. Would this even be something I should be concerned about?

 

[BMXTRIX]

I just purchased a Sony tube 36 HD wega. Is it possible to get burn in on something like that? Honestly I play halo 2 every night on xbox live. But I only play about 2 to 3 hours at the most. Would this even be something I should be concerned about?

It is something you should be aware and concious of, not concerned per se.

You want to look at the games you are playing and see if there are any static images - like a big white "SCORE" at the top of the screen or the word "PLAYER 1" somewhere. If the graphics change constantly or you don't have a map in the lower part of your screen that is there ALL the time, you really don't have a major issue.

But, if you play a game that has that, then turn it off after a while and check your screen. Watch something else, play something else. Change the aspect ratio of the screen so the fixed graphic moves to a new location.

You obviously don't want to ruin your screen, but you don't want to not enjoy it either. So, enjoy it was being concious of little things you can do to help avoid any burn-in. In the end, it should last a long time, even with all the video games.

 

[soniceuphoria]

I own a CRT toshiba 65H84 RPTV. I use my computer on it for hours at a time, I play xbox and PS2 on it for up to 4 or 5 hours at a time and have never had a problem so far. With this said, yes video games can cause image burn in but only
if a static image is left there long enough. As was previously stated some arcades have games with image burn in from being on about 10-12 hours a day playing the same image.
I believe that if you are conscience of the facts and follow all of the great advice from our fellow Audioholics, that you shouldnt have any problems. Good Luck.
Greg

 

[MACCA350]

Plasma's are the worst for burn in. I was at my local hi-fi store watching the THX Ultimate Demo Disc, had it sitting on a menu screen for about 3 minutes, Major burn-in, I couldnt believe how bad it was . A friend of mine baught a plasma and said the store he baught it from had one with static advertising on it for a while, that was it, the screen was usless. So be carefull with the plasmas.

cheers

 

[jad]

Well thanks for your suggestions regarding my CRT. Halo doesn't really have white static images, but there are status bars and such. I use a lower contrast setting when playing the xbox, so hopefully this won't present any problems.

If you begin to see signs of burn in, are there anyway's to remedy it?

 

[soniceuphoria]

As far as I know the only remedy for burn in, is screen replacement. I have never seen image burn in on a CRT RPTV
used at home. The only burn in I have ever seen is at the arcade on the games that dont get used as often that have game over or insert coins burnt on the screen. As I said I use
my computer and xbox on my tv for 4 hours or more with high contrast and have never had a problem. I have owned 2
other big screens and have played video games on both and never had a problem with burn in. I still suggest that you limit the ammount of time you leave static images on your tv just to be safe. Enjoy.
Greg

 

[TRADERXFAN]

xbox, halo 2 in particular

In Halo, to me it seems that the static images of say health, ammo, etc were deliberately designed to be a soft, almost translucent, not overly bright color. If you look closely when moving, you can almost make out outlines of the objects behind those status bars. I think that the designers have deliberately tried to reduce the risk of burn in. It also helps that you have plenty of cut scenes in the single player game. Multiplayer matches are relatively short and the various waiting rooms and scoreboards offer a break to static images. It's probably going to take a lot to cause burn in on this game.

Just pay attention to whatever game you play for the static images. I have never had a problem myself, and I game a lot.

 

[Rob Babcock]

Watching someone else play HALO on the PJ will make me motion sick, but playing it myself doesn't. I think it's because when I play my eyes are synched with my hands, and I know which way the field will be moving. When I watch the "random" camera movement makes me really nauseaous.