I hope that I've been civil here. This was a significant purchase for me, and I was just trying to get some help. I thought that these discussions were for talking about our experiences, good or bad, and getting help. I'm not trying to deface anything: I was just giving as honest of an assessment as possible to get some help. If this went too long, I apologize, and I ask your forgiveness. I'm sure that this is a wonderful product, and all of the other customers are enjoying them immensely. I'm so sorry for wasting everyone's time, and I will take greater care in posting in other future discussions. I hooked up the bookshelves last night, and they sounded better than the towers. I put in a return request last night just 5 days after receiving them, so I won't be starting any threads complaining about not being able to return them because I waited so long.
You've given me great help, and I thank you very much. Take care.
You have been civil. You have nothing to apologize for. You called it like you saw it. That's what you should do.
I'm sorry the speakers did not work out for you. I have a great interest in small aluminum cone drivers. Unfortunately there are a lot of poor examples and they continue to be added. Do you by any chance know the source of the drivers in those speakers?
Your troubles led me to get out my TLS speakers with just one 4 inch aluminum driver in each speaker. They are the Jordan Watts module introduced in 1961! I built these speakers in 1968.
I had them sitting in front of my big studio monitors, no subs. I listened to a variety of sources. I put on one of my favorites an Hyperion disc of Elgar's cathedral music from Worcester. Those little drivers threw up a huge sound stage with gorgeous space around the boys voices. The depth was astonishing and you really did not feel you needed a sub. Just two four inch cones, no crossover, no sub, no tweeter. Therefore no separation of harmonics from the fundamentals and no phase or time smear. The problem is the drivers max power input is 15 watts, so they won't shake the rafters. However its a reminder that people don't look at what went before.
A few years ago I found a person from the US bidding on a pair of Jordan Watts speakers from England. I get in touch with him. It turned out he was a former speaker design engineer for a major American speaker manufacturer. He had been most intrigued with the Jordan Watts driver. He wanted to devote research effort to develop it further. Management would muster no enthusiasm for it all. He finally left frustrated at the course the company was taking, and went into IT.
Anyway his system consisted of a a bi amped system with an NHT woofer, and two JW modules plus a tweeter per side in MTM format. When you do that, if you choose the right tweeter, the crossover has one component!
One of his modules had failed a number of years previously. I gave him one of my personal rebuilds and he sent me his blown driver. He was delighted and we kept up a correspondence for a while after.
We badly need good wide band drivers to move the state of the art forward. It seems no one wants to build these type of drivers, just keep trying to make more and more rigid "pistonic" cones, which is total dead end. If you try and make an aluminum cone rigid, you end up with a lousy driver, and that may be your problem with those speakers. There are getting to be more of those every year. A terrible pity.
