Designtechnica Article: Don’t Get Stampeded By The 7.1 Parade

tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
Here's an article by Mark Fleischmann regarding consumer confusion behind 5.1, 6.1 and 7.1 in the home:

http://news.designtechnica.com/talkback103.html

I'll unleash my diatribe on this here (hasn't shown up on the 'discuss' portion of the article yet) after seeing what some others have to say about this... :rolleyes: -TD
 
supervij

supervij

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Frankly, I like it when sounds that are supposed come from behind you actually do. Granted, my rear centre speaker doesn't get a whole lot of action, but when I put in a movie that takes advantage of it (Saw, Gladiator, Lord of the Rings), it's that much better. I won't be trading in my rear centre any time soon -- unless it's for two rear surrounds!

cheers,
supervij
 
tomd51

tomd51

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I have yet to hear of anyone switching from a 5.1 system to a 6.1 or 7.1 setup and not discern a considerable difference. Whether the cost of and an additional surround or surrounds is warranted is purely subjective, but I've yet to hear of anyone preferring a 5.1 setup as opposed to a 6.1 or 7.1... -TD
 
S

sh0

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My system is only 5.1 so I can't speak from experience but in researching for a system upgrade I've heard some of the arguments presented in the article. A decent argument is that most material is mixed for 5.1 so in those cases you're using DSP to manufacture the extra channels or not using them at all. Then again, I haven't minded the effect using DPLII to get 5ch from 2ch music.

I'm pretty sure I've read that the extra rear channels can reduce the clarity of the dialogue/center channel but I can't recall the argument behind it - it seems to me that this would be caused by a calibration issue (levels too high). Has anyone heard this or experienced it? Another argument is that having a direct radiating rear channel firing directly (more or less) into your head can be distracting.

I think one of the big factors is the room layout. Since I have a small room with the back wall within 3 feet of my head, I'm assuming it doesn't make sense for me to go with 7.1.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
sh0 said:
I'm pretty sure I've read that the extra rear channels can reduce the clarity of the dialogue/center channel but I can't recall the argument behind it - it seems to me that this would be caused by a calibration issue (levels too high). Has anyone heard this or experienced it? Another argument is that having a direct radiating rear channel firing directly (more or less) into your head can be distracting.

I think one of the big factors is the room layout. Since I have a small room with the back wall within 3 feet of my head, I'm assuming it doesn't make sense for me to go with 7.1.
I would think room layout is a factor. Cost can be another for an upgrade, but don't see that as an issue when buying first time.

I haven't heard about ch6 being affected by the front center. How could be? The front is discrete, irrelevant to the rears.

I am not impressed with the authors arguments about power in receivers. Typical though.
 
Spiffyfast

Spiffyfast

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well, I can def. say that I miss 7.1, I started out when I purchased my new 7.1 receiver with a full 7.1 in my dad's basement, plenty of room for it. Had to go back to school and was forced to go back to 5.1 and I think movies are missing so much now, theres nothing better than watching a movie where you can here whats going on behind you, I dont care if its a DSP or not, still sounds great
 
avnetguy

avnetguy

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mtrycrafts said:
I would think room layout is a factor. Cost can be another for an upgrade, but don't see that as an issue when buying first time.
I would say room layout is a big issue, its the main reason I don't drop in another speaker. Also the type of surround speakers, as in monopole vs dipole setups, could play a big role. A 5.1 with monopole surrounds could probably benefit the most from a dipole 6th channel.

Steve
 
tomd51

tomd51

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My take..

While good intentioned, this article only convolutes this topic and further confuses sparsely and misinformed consumers.

It's quite obvious 5.1 configurations are the still the industry standard, proof of this is bulk of the currently mixed soundtracks offered on DVD format. While this configuration is quite adequate in many listening environments and applications, there are benefits to the use of 6.1 or 7.1 configurations.

As our listening capacity is more capable as well as critical 180 degrees in front of the listening position, the currently used three front channel configuration adequately provides a full sound field. Evidence of this is found in the amount of information provided in these channels on most soundtracks as well as the emphasis of the loudspeaker's capabilities to smoothly pan from left to center to right. It's possible to provide additional channels ( e.g., far left, far right, left center, middle center and right center), but due to the ability of the accuracy to pinpoint sound in the forward 180 degrees, the further addition of channels or speakers would likely provide diminishing returns.

In a larger listening environment (approx. 2,500 cubic feet or larger) where ample space is available behind the general listening area, a 6.1 configuration provides a more enveloping sound field as opposed to a 5.1 speaker configuration simply due to the fact that the additional channel, while it's signal is still matrixed from the surround signals (on 5.1 soundtracks, 6.1 discrete soundtracks are available in limited release), can "fill in" the area that the side surround setup falls a bit short on. One way to possibly fill this void in a 5.1 setup is to use dipole/bipole type speakers which diffuse the surround signal and provide a broader sound field for the listening audience. This still, however, generally does not produce the more encompassing, spatial sound field a 6.1 configuration is capable of providing.

In addition to the more enveloping sound field the 6.1 setup can provide in comparison to a 5.1 configuration, the 7.1 configuration, in which the two rear surround speakers will split the matrixed surround signal, will produce an even broader sound field as sounds produced behind the listening environment can be distinguished much easier when not located directly behind the listener. It doesn't take a scientist to realize our hearing capacity is more prominent in front of us than behind is. Regardless as to whether the soundtrack was recorded in 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 discrete channels, the additional rear channels help fill in any gaps in the listening area.


Although very few soundtracks have been mixed with 6.1 discrete channels and none (to my knowledge and that are generally available) have been mixed for 7.1, these additional channels or configurations can be quite beneficial depending upon your application or listening environment. Most of this is subjective, but then again, so is a large portion of any auditory comparisons. While the necessity of 6.1 or 7.1 is irrelevant, as surround sound in general isn't quite a "necessity", these options provide just that, more options for the consumer. The best thing to do is be an informed consumer, for this topic, or any other for that matter. By the way, since when is having options such a bad thing? :)

One last note, overdrving your receiver and speaker sensitivity (often confused for efficency) has very little to do with the 5.1 or 7.1 dilemma...
 

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