DENON OR YAMMIE w/ PARADIGM

[BIG FISH]

NEWBIE to this fourm.

What do you guys think of yammie 1400/2400 or denon 2805/3805 paired with paradigm monitor 7's

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Look here that should tell you how I feel. I love it

 

[BIG FISH]

Nice

Nice system Mac! How do you describe the sound?
And does the sub sound that much more flat?

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Thanks, I had a huge hump at 63hz by huge I mean 18db higher than everything else and a null at around 80 of about the same. By down firing my front firing sub I managed to tame those out a bit, if you look at the EQ close you will see that I can now compensate for the 63hz bump and the null at 80 is only down about 7 or 8db's now. Not much more I can do about that because that is where the xover is set. Bass traps might help me get a flatter response, but according to the Rives test disk and their compensated test tones for the RS meter, I have the tones 31,40,50,63 all at 75db and I am only down about 7db's at 25hz. I think I have that sub sounding close to as good as it can get. It is time for an SVS sub now

 

[BIG FISH]

Cool I'll try that with my sub.
So the denon and mon. 7's, how would you say they sound? I know all ears are different, but I'm just woundering if they sound bright, warm, too forward etc.?
Right now I'm running my monitor 7's with a yamaha HTR 5060 or something like that, and i don't really like the way they sound.
Mabey it's 'cause the yammie only has 75/ch watts "rated"?

 

[jeffsg4mac]

It is not the amount of power that is the problem, you just might not like the yamaha, I have never been fond of the sound of yamaha amps. However, I have not heard any of their new stuff so I can not comment on that. I love the paradigms, very neutral to my ears and like a stated in another thread, the monitors have one of the best sounding tweeters on a speaker at any price. The Denon 2803 is a fantastic sounding unit, I went from a Marantz pre-pro with an adcom GFA 7300 to the Denon and the Denon is a better sounding amp then the adcom I had was, and they were twice the price. You can not go wrong with Denon's receivers or DVD players. Good stuff. Remember, more power does not make it sound better, The best sounding amp I ever heard was rated at 50watts per channel. It was of course a Levinson, but still only 50 watts. I have another Adcom, a GFA 535 II that is only 60 watts and it sounds wonderful.

 

[BIG FISH]

Thanks for the info.

 

[dmoss]

Not sure about the Monitor 7's but I am running a set of Studio 100's with my Yammie 2400. Haven't had a denon hooked up to them so I really don't know the difference. What I do know is that the Yammie runs them clean but can not run them loud. Receiver shuts down if I try to crank them. I now have an ATI 2505 amp and the problem has gone away. As far as features go I think both receivers pretty much share the same. For $750.00 I think the Yammie is probably one of the best values in a higher end receiver you can get. Especially if you are going to run an amp with it.

MOZ

 

[jeffsg4mac]

dmoss, I will have to disagree with you on that last point too, the Denons have superior signal processing and DAC's over the Yammies as well. Although I would admit that using them both as a pre-amp with a higher quality amp you would be hard pressed to even hear the difference at all. Ones ears are only so good.

 

[Yamahaluver]

I have great respect and admiration for Denon as they along with Marantz, SONY ES,Pioneer Elite are among the top Japanese manufacturers, having said that, Yamaha needs proper speaker matching to sound their best and when speakers like Paradigm, Axiom, Yamaha's own are matched, the resolution and accuracy of Yamaha is far better than Denon but you might find the Yamaha harsh and bass shy at first and as for DAC, Yamaha does their own work on DAC and their DSP chips are derived from their musical instruments making them quite accurate and musical. Yamaha has been a pioneer at this field and were among the first on market with DSP units like their DSP-A1000.

This is my personal, subjective opinions just like the ones you see before my post. You should form your own opinion doing a A/B comparison and leave everything to your ears by doing a thorough, comprehensive audition of your own with materials of your choice. Opinions on the forum is a matter of forming a yardstick of sorts if you can call that, you have to live with what you select eventualy so dont let anyone, including my opinion cloud your judgment or decison.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Yamaha, is correct when he says let you ears be the judge, to my ears the Denon's sound better in the amp sections, I have a yamaha RXV595 I think it is and it is a turd, it is clean sounding but that's all. For 75-watts per channel it is a clean sounding turd. I am not saying that the new stuff sounds like my receiver, but Yamaha has been pretty consistent over the years with the sound of their amps. I just don't like the way they sound. They are good quality and very well made, so if you like the way they sound for sure get one because their quality is top notch and they look great, but listen and let you ears be the judge.

Yamaha, I have to disagree with you about matching an amp to the speakers, A good sounding amp will sound good on any good speaker, (the only exception would be trying to drive a planar speaker that is not efficient with an under powered amp) If you have to match the amp to a certain speaker to get a good sound then the amp is poor design and some sort of flaw, Speaker matching to an amp defies all electronic logic and common sense.

 

[BIG FISH]

When an amp has too much detail does that not make a bad/older recording sound even worse?
I have been told that paradigm and yammie are a good match, but at the same time I've heard that they produce a bright sound. If bright is what my system sounds like now, then I think the denon will be the one to go with.
Wish me luck. thanks

 

[jeffsg4mac]

There is no such thing as matching an amp to a speaker for sound reasons, an amp sounds good with all good speakers or it does not sound good with any. Amp matching is an audio myth propagated by snooty high-end audio shop snobs. A good amp design adds nothing in the signal path to color the sound you should only be hearing the what the speakers are doing if the amp is truly neutral. If you have to match an amp to a certain set of speakers because it does not sound good with another set of speakers that you know are good, then I would not consider getting that amp.

 

[BIG FISH]

Understood! Ok, so now I ask which of these two (denon 3805 or yamaha 2400), have a more neutral sound? It may be a dumb question but that's why I'm on these fourms Thanks again Jeff.

 

[m1abrams]

You know I just auditioned those two amps today at the store. Granted not the best enivornment to audition them. However I listened to the same music tracks on each amp using the same speaker set for both.

Before I went to the store I really was leaning towards the 2400 over the 3805. I did not think I would hear much of a difference between the two amps. I was wrong, the Denon had a much warmer softer sound. Listen to the 2400 after the Denon the 2400 sound forced. The difference was so much I thought the guy had the tone controls on the 2400 screwed up. He didn't.

Now mind you both sounded great to me, and if I did not do a side by side test both would sound excellent. In fact the night before I listened to the 2400 at another place and really liked it (they did not have a Denon to compare there), but they only had the floor model.

So long story short, the Denon was my pick. I just liked the sound better when heard side by side.

 

[Yamahaluver]

Just like Jeff had a turd of a Yamaha( low end RX-595), I had the misfortune of owning a top of the line Denon POA 5000 power amplifier. The amp was built better than most other amps on the market except from the ones from Krell and Yamaha but sadly had the most unmusical sound, the bass was also loose and uncontrolled. Months after I bought this unit, Stereo Review did a comparsion of this particular amp with several others from ADCOM,MTX, ROTEL etc. and found that the Denon had the highest noise floor, partly explains its poor sound.

As you can percieve from all our posts, it is subjective so you have to form your own opinion.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Yamaha, correction, I still have that turd of a yamaha, I also owned a turd of an Adcom too, a GFA 7300 5x60watts, oh it had plenty of nuts but just not one of Adcoms better sounding amps thats for sure. My older GFA 535II 60x2 sounds much better, if fact it sounds as good or better than my Denon 2803, and it is almost 10 years old but newly refurbed by Adcom.

 

[BIG FISH]

Just came back from comparing these two units, although not with Paradigms. I must say I liked the Denon 2805 better. The sound was just that much more pleasing to me. I will be comparing the Yamaha 1400 and the Denon 2805 hooked up to Paradigm mon. 7's later this week, as I contacted a dealer who has this set up.

One question. The yammie weighs 34lbs. and the denon is 29lbs. Now can this be because of the transformer in the yammie is larger thus producing more power or does power consumption have a lot to do with producing more power? I don't know what which one consumes more power so if anyone knows, and can explain how all this works that would be of much help, Thanks.