speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
I have been looking at some of the Denon receivers as of late. However, I can NOT for the life of me figure out what are the differences between the AVR-2808CI and the AVR-988??? They seem to be the same exact receiver. Do any of you know what, if any, difference there is between these two? If so, please take a few moments and explain them to me. It will, as always, be much appreciated.

Cheers,

Phil
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
I thought the x88 line was what would be sold at CC? Otherwise they are identical (988 vs 2808).
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I have been looking at some of the Denon receivers as of late. However, I can NOT for the life of me figure out what are the differences between the AVR-2808CI and the AVR-988??? They seem to be the same exact receiver. Do any of you know what, if any, difference there is between these two? If so, please take a few moments and explain them to me. It will, as always, be much appreciated.

Cheers,

Phil
They're the same to me. Someone had told me that the "CI" models were made for INSTALLERS and the non-CI models were for the general consumers. The "CI" stands for Custom Integration, which is supposed to be more future-proof with firmwares (at home) and at-factory upgrades and all that. I would get the "CI" models myself, especially the higher dollar models.

One example is the 5910CI player or the 5805CI receiver. When a newer and better video chip came out, these components were capable of being upgraded to something like the Silicon Optix Realta chip. They also upgraded from the D-Link 2 to the D-Link 3. They also upgraded from 1080i to 1080p.
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
I thought the x88 line was what would be sold at CC? Otherwise they are identical (988 vs 2808).
Thanks croseiv for the info. So, other than the model #'s these are essentially the same correct? On paper that sure seems to be the case. Much appreciated.

Cheers,

Phil
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
They're the same to me. Someone had told me that the "CI" models were made for INSTALLERS and the non-CI models were for the general consumers. The "CI" stands for Custom Integration, which is supposed to be more future-proof with firmwares (at home) and at-factory upgrades and all that. I would get the "CI" models myself, especially the higher dollar models.

One example is the 5910CI player or the 5805CI receiver. When a newer and better video chip came out, these components were capable of being upgraded to something like the Silicon Optix Realta chip. They also upgraded from the D-Link 2 to the D-Link 3. They also upgraded from 1080i to 1080p.
Thanks for the info. Very interesting and quite informative. I would love to own the 3808CI, but it is too expensive to fit into my budget. Right now, I am happy w/my Yammie 663. If I do upgrade, it will probably be either the 2808CI or the Yammie 1800. I am also awaiting on the Pioneer 1018 to see what it is all about.

Cheers,

Phil
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
CC has the 988 for $849, but no 2808.
Vann's has the 988 delivered for $750!!!!! Not bad if you ask me. However, need to pay off some things first if you know what I mean.........LOL!!!! ;);) Thanks once again for the help my friend.

Cheers,

Phil
 
B

brulaha

Audioholic
Denon's three digit line, e.g. the 988, were originally intended to be sold at big box stores like circuit city and sears. Their four digit lines were supposed to be carried by specialty retailers. The line has certainly blurred with Best Buy's purchase of Magnolia, which was orginally a specialty retailer.

There are some small differences between the 988 and 2808, most notably that they come with different remote controls. However the differences are few and far between, and for all intents and purposes, they are the same machine. Yes the 988 does not have the CI designation, but I bet it's still part of the feature set. It's unlikely that Denon wanted to remove this feature. The reality is, no one from a big box store is going to try and give you the kind of support the CI designation is intended for.

Just as a side note, Denon has always carried their 3xxx series receivers and up at specialty retailers and have never made a corresponding cousin with a three digit number.

Also note that Denon has long provided upgrades for their 5xxx series products. These upgrades were often expensive, costing $500 or more. It is unlikely you will ever be upgrading a Denon product other than their top tier products. It won't be cost effective for you given the price you intially paid for the unit. Now when discussing something like the 5805, which intially cost $7,200, well at $500 an upgrade starts to make a lot of sense.
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
Vann's has the 988 delivered for $750!!!!! Not bad if you ask me. However, need to pay off some things first if you know what I mean.........LOL!!!! ;);) Thanks once again for the help my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

CC will price match if you show them the Vann's price, they'll match it. That's what they did for me when I bought my display. Saved me about 400 bucks.
 
B

brulaha

Audioholic
It is unlikely you will ever be upgrading a Denon product other than their top tier products.
I stand corrected...they will be releasing an upgrade for the 3808 & the 4308 shortly. I've very curious what the five features will be as a 3808 owner.
 
T

thorzeen

Audiophyte
I stand corrected...they will be releasing an upgrade for the 3808 & the 4308 shortly. I've very curious what the five features will be as a 3808 owner.
Where did you hear this ?
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
Denon's three digit line, e.g. the 988, were originally intended to be sold at big box stores like circuit city and sears. Their four digit lines were supposed to be carried by specialty retailers. The line has certainly blurred with Best Buy's purchase of Magnolia, which was orginally a specialty retailer.

There are some small differences between the 988 and 2808, most notably that they come with different remote controls. However the differences are few and far between, and for all intents and purposes, they are the same machine. Yes the 988 does not have the CI designation, but I bet it's still part of the feature set. It's unlikely that Denon wanted to remove this feature. The reality is, no one from a big box store is going to try and give you the kind of support the CI designation is intended for.

Just as a side note, Denon has always carried their 3xxx series receivers and up at specialty retailers and have never made a corresponding cousin with a three digit number.

Also note that Denon has long provided upgrades for their 5xxx series products. These upgrades were often expensive, costing $500 or more. It is unlikely you will ever be upgrading a Denon product other than their top tier products. It won't be cost effective for you given the price you intially paid for the unit. Now when discussing something like the 5805, which intially cost $7,200, well at $500 an upgrade starts to make a lot of sense.
Very interesting. I appreciate the info. Thanks for posting.

Cheers,

Phil
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
CC will price match if you show them the Vann's price, they'll match it. That's what they did for me when I bought my display. Saved me about 400 bucks.
Shoot, my local CC will NOT match any on-line price other than vendors like BB, Walmart, and etc. They won't even match Crutchfield. :eek::eek: Bunch of tight-wads...........LOL!!!!! :p:p

Cheers,

Phil
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
The most significant difference is that the 2808CI is a three zone receiver and comes with two remotes while the 988 is two zone with one remote. Denon also notes that there is a difference is video conversion. http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/257.asp?compareitem=3526&compareitem=3598&imageField.x=85&imageField.y=17
So, would you say the video conversion is a significant difference between the two? I am a bit confused here. I am not worried about Zone 3 and an extra remote, but video conversion could be an issue. Thanks for the info Dave.

Cheers,

Phil
 
P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I stand corrected...they will be releasing an upgrade for the 3808 & the 4308 shortly. I've very curious what the five features will be as a 3808 owner.
You are just talking about firmware upgrade right? I doubt very much they will perform hardward upgrade for owners of the 3808 and 4308. By the time you send the 50 lb package back and forth and pay for the upgrade, it will likely be cost prohibitive. Let me know if I am wrong as I do own a 4308. Thanks.
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
You are just talking about firmware upgrade right? I doubt very much they will perform hardward upgrade for owners of the 3808 and 4308. By the time you send the 50 lb package back and forth and pay for the upgrade, it will likely be cost prohibitive. Let me know if I am wrong as I do own a 4308. Thanks.
Hey Peng thanks for posting. Was not aware you own a 4308. :eek::eek: Can you post some pics? Would love to own something like that.

Cheers,

Phil
 
B

brulaha

Audioholic
I'm not sure how the update will be handled. It was Discussed on Gene's Tech podcast posted today. I suggest you listen to it if your into Denon products. It was very informative and entertaining (if your a geek...lol). Here's a link:

http://www.avrant.com/?p=311

I would imagine that it is indeed a firmware "upgrade," and not something that you will need to send the unit in for. However, unlike previous firmware "updates," there will be a monetary cost associated with this (estimated at $100). They said there would be five new features, and I have a feeling after listening to the podcast that most of them are centered around Audyssey.
 
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B

brulaha

Audioholic
So, would you say the video conversion is a significant difference between the two? I am a bit confused here. I am not worried about Zone 3 and an extra remote, but video conversion could be an issue. Thanks for the info Dave
My advice would be to skip the 2808/988 and step up to the 3808. There is a big jump going from the 2xxx line to the 3xxx line. As a former owner of a 2800, I always felt I made a mistake by not going with their 3300. This time around, I made sure I didn't make that mistake. Honestly, the new GUI is worth it alone.
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
My advice would be to skip the 2808/988 and step up to the 3808. There is a big jump going from the 2xxx line to the 3xxx line. As a former owner of a 2800, I always felt I made a mistake by not going with their 3300. This time around, I made sure I didn't make that mistake. Honestly, the new GUI is worth it alone.
I agree here. However, my budget won't allow me to do so. With that said, the 988 may be all I can afford right now. I am also considering the Pioneer 1018 and the Yammie 1800.

Cheers,

Phil
 
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