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Hstar

Enthusiast
I need help getting an EQ (yamaha EQ-70) working with a Denon AVR887. I have it hooked into the so caled "tape loop" to no avail. I have the amp in record mode but still no EQ'd sound. Any ideas or will it just not work. EQ worked fine for years without a problem. I have more questions but, we'll deal with this one first. Thank you in advance for any help. Billy
 
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starcraftbw

Audioholic Intern
I also need help. I have marantz SR-19 receiver and don't know how to hook up with EQ (onkyo EQ35). help us please
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Tape monitor loops on receivers of yesteryear are a thing of the past for the most part. Generally these days, the EQ needs to go between the pre-amp/receiver and outboard amp or source and pre-amp/receiver.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Yep, that about sums it up.

AVRat said:
Tape monitor loops on receivers of yesteryear are a thing of the past for the most part. Generally these days, the EQ needs to go between the pre-amp/receiver and outboard amp or source and pre-amp/receiver.
No wasted words. I like that. Sometimes, getting involved in the whys and wherefors of this gets confusing.

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=20831
 
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Hstar

Enthusiast
Ok, you lost me there. I do have "pre outs" on the back of the amp. Is that what you're tallking about? Then where? Would it be easier to if I put a link for the rear of the amp? Thanks again
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
To implement this scenario, you need a separate two channel power amp.

Hstar said:
Ok, you lost me there. I do have "pre outs" on the back of the amp. Is that what you're tallking about? Then where? Would it be easier to if I put a link for the rear of the amp? Thanks again
Just disconnect your main speakers from your receiver, plug your receivers L/R pre-outs into the equalizers inputs, the eq's outputs into your power amp's inputs, connect your front speakers to the outboard power amp and you're ready to rumble.

That's all there is to it.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Offhand, no.

Hstar said:
So I need another amp. Any suggestions?
But, if you post your price range I'm sure many others will chime in.
 
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Hstar

Enthusiast
Not even sure of what I'm looking for at this point. I'm just short of getting rid of the thing and finding something that I can work with.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
It's not that bad.

Why not try living w/o the eq for a whille? You might find it ain't as bad as all that.

I can't think of any mid-priced receivers that will allow it's insertion into the signal path anymore. Eq's and the circuitry to implement them faded out when tape decks went out and HT came in. Many have the outputs, like yours, but very, very few have the needed inputs forthe main amp.

If, after a period of time, it's still buggin' ya, then repost. ...but do state a price range you feel is realistic.
 
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Hstar

Enthusiast
Sorry to keep bothering you!

For now I'll just have to acept it as it is. But even with using what the amp has to offer it just sounds flat & dull. No real highs and muddy lows. I know my speakers are capeable of better sound. Just a few more questions if its not a bother. My last amp I bought in '86, it serve me very well i would say. I have no idea what the new terminology is. What is HT? Second. This is like the tail chasing the dog, I know but, I don't really know what I'm looking for so I can't give a realistic price range. Does that make any sense? What I can tell you is that my amp has 7 "pre-outs". What type of amp should I look for(so that I can find what they cost before I ask opinions). And should it have 7 "ins" to accomodate possible future upgrades? I'm sorry for being a pest, I just don't know. Thanks again
Billy
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Ah, fugeddaboudit

You ain't a bother. You're just going through culture shock. A lot has happpened in twenty years.
Like I said in a previous post, the "external processor loops" or "tape monitors" went the way of the dinosaur once home theatre came into play.

Those preamp outputs are generally used when one wants to use a more powerful power amp than the ones in the receiver. They really aren't designed for insertion of external devices in the circuit but, since things have changed greatly in the last 20 years, that is the onjly way equalizers and such can be used. If you really wanted to, you could insert an eq channel for each pre-out, assuming you had power amps to put on the other end, but that can get quite messy.

BTW, HT, or Home Theatre generally refers to the multi channel type stuff you just bought. Eq's do funny things to a multi-channell sound environment. They DO still make two channel stereo units, many of which can accomodate what you need, but they are rapidly fading out and generally don't mate well with HT systems.

Hang in there, guy , and welcome to the 21st century.

BTW, what speakers are you using?
 
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Hstar

Enthusiast
Thanks

You've given me quite an education over the last few days. I'm pretty sure I know what to look for. Have the power rating parameters changed? Both this Denon & the old Pioneer are 100 watt units. The denon doesn't get near as loud as that old unit did. My reasons for choosing this amp the multizone, the surround sound, turn table hookup(I have many old albums that I would eventaly like to put on disc). I have a music room in the rear of my house where I play my drums. Its wired for speakers from the fom the front already(w/a volume control) The amp has a total of 9 speaker hook ups(7.1 W/4 fronts) My thoughts were to take two of the front and hook them up to the music room, configure the amp for 5.1 for the living room(its small) and using the 2nd zone for my BR. All with wired remotes. Is that do-able? Mabe I should use the preouts for the music room and add a second amp because this Denon doesn't get near loud enough to be heard over my kit when I practice. Oh and the speakers you asked about. Theyre old (i have no idea) JBL Type C70 Alpha. They are the only speaker that old pioneer couldn't pop. I have questions about them as well but thats for later. Ami I on the right track with this thing or am I asking it to do more than it can?
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
Hstar said:
So I need another amp. Any suggestions?
Sure do. Don't treat the symptom, treat the disease. Room treatments, in most cases gives the best results if you are willing to go through the effort and have WAF.

Nick
 
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Hstar

Enthusiast
???

I appreaciate your post yet you have me totaly confused. What are room treatments? What is WAF? Thanks.
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Hstar said:
My thoughts were to take two of the front and hook them up to the music room, configure the amp for 5.1 for the living room (its small) and using the 2nd zone for my BR. Maybe I should use the preouts for the music room and add a second amp because this Denon doesn't get near loud enough to be heard over my kit when I practice.
This would be the best setup in most situations. Since you don’t seem to have enough power to the music room, you might put an amp in that path. Assuming the MR & BR speaker wires are home run to the receiver location, use the internal SB/zone2 amp for the BR and use the SB/zone2 pre-out to an amp to the MR. Depending on the amp you use, you may have to upgrade the VC (volume control) for the MR. A Behringer A500 is a popular inexpensive amp choice, ~$180.

BTW, the 887 has an internal EQ you can also use to tweak the HT main zone.
 
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Hstar

Enthusiast
Thanks a Million Mark&AVRat

AVRat that sounds like the way to go, and what I'm looking for. What is the power rating of that amp? I just ordered new loud speakers for the music room. 300 wattsx 2 speakers. (They'll double as PA speakers). I'm sure the two will work well enough to practice. Can you explain to me please how the video outs work with the 887? The spec sheet shows multiple video outs but none "zone 2" dedicated. The 987,which i'm thinking of trading up to Has a dedicated "zone 2" monitor out. Is the dedicated out mainly for viewing from different sources? Or can I run a line from a second video out to the music room from the 887 to a monitor? Video quality is not a real issue as long as it viewable(mostly for something like a superbowl party/big race party etc.) just to spread out the people. In that aspect is it worth the extra 400.00. 0r do I just get a splitter for the cable and just run the sound? You and Mark have been a great help without a doubt. I will look into that
A500. Its within my budget. Mark was asking me what my budget was but, not knowing what I needed I couldn't tell him(make sense?) What you laid out for me sounds prefect. Would the upgrade to the 987 be worth it? Thanks a million Billy
 
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Hstar

Enthusiast
Thanks a Million Mark&AVRat

AVRat that sounds like the way to go, and what I'm looking for. What is the power rating of that amp? I just ordered new loud speakers for the music room. 300 wattsx 2 speakers. (They'll double as PA speakers). I'm sure the two will work well enough to practice. Can you explain to me please how the video outs work with the 887? The spec sheet shows multiple video outs but none "zone 2" dedicated. The 987,which i'm thinking of trading up to Has a dedicated "zone 2" monitor out. Is the dedicated out mainly for viewing from different sources? Or can I run a line from a second video out to the music room from the 887 to a monitor? Video quality is not a real issue as long as it viewable(mostly for something like a superbowl party/big race party etc.) just to spread out the people. In that aspect is it worth the extra 400.00. 0r do I just get a splitter for the cable and just run the sound? You and Mark have been a great help without a doubt. I will look into that
A500. Its within my budget. Mark was asking me what my budget was but, not knowing what I needed I couldn't tell him(make sense?) What you laid out for me sounds prefect. Would the upgrade to the 987 be worth it? Thanks a million Billy
 
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Hstar

Enthusiast
Where?

Where do I place the A500? W/ main unit(long wiring to spaeakers thru the ceiling to the speakers), or in the music room(wiring thru the ceiling to the amp, short wiring to the speakers)? I'm thinking it may make a difference.
Thanks again Billy
 
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Hstar

Enthusiast
Thanks again AV

I just ordered the amp you suggested. From the looks of it it will have to be in the music room to allow volume adjustment. Fill me in more on your thoughts please. Thanks a bunch. I cant tell you the help you've been.
Billy
 
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