Denon 6300. Sub setup ?

[Lilmo6868]

Under the base management menu there is a subwoofer mode that can be changed. The two options are LFE and LFE + Main. The lfe option plays low range and LFE signals of channels set too small. The LFE plus Main plays low range and LFE signals of all channels.

I guess my first question here is what do they consider low range?
If I put it on LFE plus main does that mean that I can set my 5 bookshelves too large and it will steal play the low range that is also sent to the bookshelf speakers? I'm getting a little confused LOL
But on another note this thing is awesome and yes I'm enjoying 11 channels of pure ecstasy

 

[lovinthehd]

Yes, LFE+Main basically duplicates bass in the speakers and sub, I'd recommend not to use it (unless you simply like it).

 

[Lilmo6868]

This is what i found.

Subwoofer Mode” can be set when “Speaker Config.” - “Subwoofer” in the menu is set to other than “None”. link

Play music or a movie source and select the mode offering the strongest bass.

If “Speaker Config.” - “Front” and “Center” are set to “Large”, and “Subwoofer Mode” is set to “LFE”, no sound may be output from the subwoofers, depending on the input signal or selected sound mode. link
Select “LFE+Main” if you want the bass signals to always be produced from the subwoofer.

 

[Lilmo6868]

And it also seems that if I set the fronts and Center too large that it still allows a crossover point to be set for them when in the LFE + main mode

 

[lovinthehd]

It's been a while since I dived into it so I may be a bit rusty and off...as it seems in this thread per jdsmoothie who is an encyclopedia of Denon features.

Batpig's another Denon expert, try his explanation here http://batpigworld.com/setup.html

I just never worry about it, even my towers aren't set to large, their capabilities are not as good as that of my subs for the low end.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1414847-large-small-lfe-lfe-main-crossover-settings-confusion.html

 

[Lilmo6868]

so am i understanding this correctly? If I set the sub to LFE + Main and I have the crossover for the sub at 100 Hertz, that all data 100 Hertz and under is going to be sent to the subs?
No matter what I do with the bookshelves , small or large crossed over at any point

 

[lovinthehd]

I'll let you decipher what it does since I've got no need for it but it does also often get called "double bass". FWIW crossovers aren't brick walls, they're intersecting high pass and low pass filters. Here's what a crossover graph looks like for example

 

[lovinthehd]

Here's also the thread linked in batpig's explanation

 

[Lilmo6868]

With all speaker set too small, , would Crossing the front and center and Rears at 40 Hertz, and setting the sub at 100 Hertz, ,be considered double bassing?

 

[lovinthehd]

Not sure how you would do that. If the speakers are set to small you get a single crossover for the speaker/sub, no separate "crossover" for just the sub. You're not setting the low pass filter on your sub as well? Or maybe confusing a sub crossover with LPF of LFE setting (which should be left at 120hz IMO, and that only affects LFE channel/.1 content if your source has it).

 

[PENG]

The LFE plus Main plays low range and LFE signals of all channels.

The LFE signal is only in the LFE (the .1) channel so there is no such thing as LFE signals of "all" channel, again, only the .1 channel.

I guess my first question here is what do they consider low range?

That could be debatable, but if you want to call it below 250 Hz or 200 Hz, not too many people will argue with you.

If I put it on LFE plus main does that mean that I can set my 5 bookshelves too large and it will steal play the low range that is also sent to the bookshelf speakers? I'm getting a little confused LOL

Yes, you've got this right.

 

[PENG]

so am i understanding this correctly? If I set the sub to LFE + Main and I have the crossover for the sub at 100 Hertz, that all data 100 Hertz and under is going to be sent to the subs?
No matter what I do with the bookshelves , small or large crossed over at any point

There is no such thing as crossover for the sub. As HD mentioned, you probably were confused with "LPF" for the LFE channel and in that case you should set it higher than 100 Hz, such as 120 to 150 Hz.

 

[PENG]

Not sure how you would do that. If the speakers are set to small you get a single crossover for the speaker/sub, no separate "crossover" for just the sub. You're not setting the low pass filter on your sub as well? Or maybe confusing a sub crossover with LPF of LFE setting (which should be left at 120hz IMO, and that only affects LFE channel/.1 content if your source has it).

I know you got it well covered, just want to reinforce you message as OP still seemed a little confused.

 

[Lilmo6868]

Okay let me try this, LOL.
With all speaker set to small and crossed over at 80 Hertz., the sub will get all data from the surrounds below 80 Hertz Plus the LFE signal, correct?
No matter the crossover point of the surrounds the sub is going to get everything below that crossover point plus the LFE signal,?

 

[Lilmo6868]

I'm still concerned Why audyssey and the Denon set the front center and surrounds rear to large? Were they trying to compensate for something or what? Was it attempting to send the full signal to those speakers to try and pick them up? While sacrificing the low signal going to the subs .... I don't get it LOL

 

[PENG]

Okay let me try this, LOL.
With all speaker set to small and crossed over at 80 Hertz., the sub will get all data from the surrounds below 80 Hertz Plus the LFE signal, correct?
No matter the crossover point of the surrounds the sub is going to get everything below that crossover point plus the LFE signal,?

Yes, and the sub will always get the signal in the lfe channel as long as the receiver know you have a sub connected.

 

[PENG]

I'm still concerned Why audyssey and the Denon set the front center and surrounds rear to large? Were they trying to compensate for something or what? Was it attempting to send the full signal to those speakers to try and pick them up? While sacrificing the low signal going to the subs .... I don't get it LOL

https://audyssey.zendesk.com/

https://audyssey.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/212343883-Help-on-Audyssey

Please follow the above links to find the answers.

 

[lovinthehd]

I'm still concerned Why audyssey and the Denon set the front center and surrounds rear to large? Were they trying to compensate for something or what? Was it attempting to send the full signal to those speakers to try and pick them up? While sacrificing the low signal going to the subs .... I don't get it LOL

As I mentioned it was Denon who decided based on an f3 of 40 hz from test tones, not Audyssey itself....Denon marketing people don't want to tell you your stuff is "small"

Really should be do I want bass management or not (small vs large).

 

[Pogre]

As I mentioned it was Denon who decided based on an f3 of 40 hz from test tones, not Audyssey itself....Denon marketing people don't want to tell you your stuff is "small"

Really should be do I want bass management or not (small vs large).

Bass management- On/Off

I really like that idea!