Denon 3806 or Elite vsx82

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JES14

Audioholic
The audio sides look about equal, but is one better then the other at video upconversion? Is one more compatable or have less issues for HDMI connections?
My tv has 1 HDMI input so the video switching and upconversion are most important for this upgrade. I will be connecting the S.A.8300HD through HDMI as well as a HD-DVD player in the near future. Thanks for any help.
 
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GreenJelly

Banned
Its too early for HDMI. Many companies wont support it because they are afraid of copyright violations. Give me a un-encrypted digital signal and I could re-compile the video into a MPEG-4 HD format. HD-DVD and BLUERAY both know this, and are both working on a way to protect the new DVD formats. Hence their support is limited and the HDMI standard is not stable:(

Mike
 
Geno

Geno

Senior Audioholic
I've been using HDMI between my plasma, receiver, satellite box, and DVD player for a year now. Perfect operation, no glitches whatsoever. From what I understand, the new HiDef players will decode the new audio formats.
 
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JES14

Audioholic
The HDMI works fine although the digital handshake between the HD-DVD and rec. is sometimes erratic.
I'm still waiting on the specs for the Toshiba A2 but hopefully it will have on board decoders for the audio.
 
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dponeill

Junior Audioholic
I haven't had any problems with my VSX-82 and my HDA1. The SA8300 is a known problem though. Mine does not work over HDMI. This is dependent on the firmware version of the SA. If your cable company has kept up with the updates, it should not be a problem.
 
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JES14

Audioholic
dponeill, we seem to have have the same rec. and HD-DVD player. I have a sub issue with HD-DVD's, not much output. The rec. is fine on any other source. When I try to play the Toshiba HD-A1 test tones I get nothing from the lfe??? But with some SD content the sub output is fine:confused:
The HD-A1 is connected to the VSX82 via HDMI. I have tried the analogue connections, but I get message from the HD-DVD player saying "no HDMI link" and it stops.
Have you experienced anything similiar? How is your player connected? Thanks for any help.
 
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GreenJelly

Banned
Just to correct the original post. Denon has the Best Digital -> Analog converters on the market, and have had this distinction for the longest time.

In fact Denon has been leading the way in all of their electronics, though they trade this for a lower quality amps. This has been their distinction for a long time. Many other companies focus on the AMPS, rather then the electronics. Remember DVD's are a 5.1 mp3 standard.

I hear that HD and BlueRay have upped the standard with higher quality sound compression.

Personally HDMI is a cool tech. Its nice to think that Digital -> Analog -> Digital on a video system will create a low quality image, and that a Direct Digital signal to the LCD/Plasma will create a better image quality.

However I have seen that in the computer market, DVI verse Analog has very little benifits. DVI is a Digital Video Standard, Like HDMI; however the Analog signal is a VERY old standard on computers (Like 20 years old).

I have seen almost no distinction, and any difference is VERY slight. NOTE: In computers we use MUCH higher resolutions then HDTV.

That coupled with the fact that HDMI is not a solid standard, I would recommend not rushing to get a HDMI A/V receiver. I fear that if you do, you will find yourself stuck with an outdated HDMI standard that does not work well with the new equipment.

I have also heard reports that the switching on many A/V Receivers is not as solid as it could be. This coupled with the fact that Cable companies dont support HDMI yet, and most DVD players do not either. Thus you will either have receivers with either too many or too few HDMI sources.

My suggestions is to wait. Give the HDMI world a few years to develop.
 
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dponeill

Junior Audioholic
JES14 said:
dponeill, we seem to have have the same rec. and HD-DVD player. I have a sub issue with HD-DVD's, not much output. The rec. is fine on any other source. When I try to play the Toshiba HD-A1 test tones I get nothing from the lfe??? But with some SD content the sub output is fine:confused:
The HD-A1 is connected to the VSX82 via HDMI. I have tried the analogue connections, but I get message from the HD-DVD player saying "no HDMI link" and it stops.
Have you experienced anything similiar? How is your player connected? Thanks for any help.
I have only had the receiver for a little over a week so I have not had much time to play with it. I have it hooked up via HDMI only. My front speakers (Energy C-7) have good low bass and are set to large. This could mask a lower than normal output in the LFE channel. I'll have more time this weekend to try a few things.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
GreenJelly said:
Remember DVD's are a 5.1 mp3 standard.
What did you mean by that (and what relation does it have to HDMI)?

DVD video is encoded in MPEG-2 format and the audio can be Dolby Digital, DTS, or PCM. MP3 is entirely different.
 
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JES14

Audioholic
PHP:
I have only had the receiver for a little over a week so I have not had much time to play with it. I have it hooked up via HDMI only. My front speakers (Energy C-7) have good low bass and are set to large. This could mask a lower than normal output in the LFE channel. I'll have more time this weekend to try a few things.
Nice, I have had this setup for just over a week as well.
I have heard a rumour of HDMI problems with the Elite rec.( hate hearing things like this after I buy) somehting to do with it being miswired. But I do not have a source other then the HD-A1 to try out. SO until I have another source I can't know whether it's the HD-DVD player or the rec. I guess I will have to exchange one to know for sure.
Let me know how you make out. DO you have a powered sub in your system?
 
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edonsmith

Audioholic Intern
I have the 84 and I really like their full range of EQ adjustments via thier remote and auto EQ program.

I am a very happy Elite user so far

Don
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
GreenJelly said:
My suggestions is to wait. Give the HDMI world a few years to develop. Its too early for HDMI. *** Many companies wont support it because they are afraid of copyright violations.***
I agree with you completely on this GreenJelly...
As much as I want the latest and greatest, there are so many reported problems that need to be ironed out and that is one of the reasons I will be going seperates... Gettin myself an amp and grabbing a low price receiver for audio and basic video switching (Component), to tide me over until they make the jump to light speed...

Spend your money on a good amp, and grab a Pioneer 1016 or a Pioneer Elite 81, and wait out the HDMI wars, and see who wins.. I promise you it won't be the consumer.. :mad: :rolleyes: :confused: :eek:
 

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