Definitive Technology SuperCube I vs. SuperCube III

Seth=L

Seth=L

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I know this could be partially due to the fact that these subs were measured under different conditions, but why and or how could the SCIII match the SCI for extension let alone best it's output at lower frequencies? It also appears to have a much smoother response. I'm guessing there won't be enough information here to answer, but if there is I would appreciate the knowledge.

SCI

http://web.archive.org/web/20040619035738/http://soundandvisionmag.com/assets/download/1222003153710.pdf

SCIII

Test Report: Definitive Technology Mythos XTR-50 Speakers | Sound and Vision Magazine

My goal, if I must have one, is not to achieve excessive amounts of output but achieve excellent extension at the lowest possible cost for a finished product. Right now the item to be contended would be my Athena Technology AS-P400. I doubt any Def Tech product I can afford will satisfy that need, so the above question is just to satisfy my curiosity.
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I know this could be partially due to the fact that these subs were measured under different conditions, but why and or how could the SCIII match the SCI for extension let alone best it's output at lower frequencies? It also appears to have a much smoother response. I'm guessing there won't be enough information here to answer, but if there is I would appreciate the knowledge.

SCI

http://web.archive.org/web/20040619035738/http://soundandvisionmag.com/assets/download/1222003153710.pdf

SCIII

Test Report: Definitive Technology Mythos XTR-50 Speakers | Sound and Vision Magazine

My goal, if I must have one, is not to achieve excessive amounts of output but achieve excellent extension at the lowest possible cost for a finished product. Right now the item to be contended would be my Athena Technology AS-P400. I doubt any Def Tech product I can afford will satisfy that need, so the above question is just to satisfy my curiosity.
That is interesting, as I wasted the assistance time at Magnolia in Eagan on Monday. One of the items I evaluated was the DT Supercube 1.

As you say, the measurements are different, but you can tell that neither sub is spectacular, and the SC1 is pretty awful, which confirmed my listening impression.

The SCM is a nasty peaky one note bass affair with a high Q. Q is not measured, but I could tell it was of the nasty too high Q variety.

If you look at the SCI 1 curve there are twin M shaped peaks at 50 and 75 Hz with rapid fall off in response either side.

The SCIII in the other hand is a little more promising, with a peak at 110 Hz and then second order roll off below that. Still not good but better.

I have to say I thought the super cube I was a particularly evil audio device.

I thought the performance of the DT speakers was also poor, certainly well below the standard of my factory car audio system.

Certainly none of the DT speakers were anything I would want to listen to.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

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I thought the performance of the DT speakers was also poor, certainly well below the standard of my factory car audio system.

Certainly none of the DT speakers were anything I would want to listen to.
Thank you !! I guess I'm not the only one who didn't like Def Tek sound - at-least the ones Magnolia had in stock
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Thank you for the information on those two subwoofers. So with a budget around $500-600 what can I find with subsonic extension, not huge, low Q, with a relatively flat response from 20-90Hz? Again, output is not so much a concern but having headroom would be nice. The closest match I've seen yet would be the Thiel Smart Sub 1, only it exceeds my budget a fair amount and is hard to come by. I'm willing to buy used or new, b&m or ID.

It's unfortunate that Tom Nousaine's list is lacking many ID subs I'm interested in but have no way to determine how they compare to other subs on his list as near I can tell. He also doesn't have the Q factor in the lists either.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

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Have you looked at Velodyne SC-10 passive sub?

9" x 13" x 13", 36lbs, 10" sub.

24Hz-120Hz +/- 3dB.

3" dual layer Kevlar woofer cone, 22lbs magnet structure - same as their $1400 powered subs.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

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Damn, this looks like a great deal!!
$350 for $599 retail sub
eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices

just iNUKE NU1000DSP amp and you call $650 a$$ kicking sub
I ordered 4 of them since my AT6012 (powering Orion) has 4 unused channels of amp - just begging to be of service.:D

I know the AT6012 is only rated as 60wpc 8ohm (measured as 80wpc RMS/8ohm/1% THD/20-20kHz). But I think for music, it should be OK, although I'm sure I'll get harassed here.:eek:

I will see.:D
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

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I ordered 4 of them since my AT6012 (powering Orion) has 4 unused channels of amp - just begging to be of service.:D

I know the AT6012 is only rated as 60wpc 8ohm (measured as 80wpc RMS/8ohm/1% THD/20-20kHz). But I think for music, it should be OK, although I'm sure I'll get harassed here.:eek:

I will see.:D
From what I gathered the matching amp is 1250W rms into 4ohm, but since the amp is stereo - I guess each sub gets 625w rms

AT6012 rated 120w into 4ohm, still a bit low than expected 625w :D
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
From what I gathered the matching amp is 1250W rms into 4ohm, but since the amp is stereo - I guess each sub gets 625w rms

AT6012 rated 120w into 4ohm, still a bit low than expected 625w :D
On my RBH SX-1010 (passive) & AT2004, I have to set the Sub level to -10dB on Denon 3310.

Will see how low I have to set the sub level for four SC-10.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I prefer a single box solution. Thanks for the recommendation.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Thank you for the information on those two subwoofers. So with a budget around $500-600 what can I find with subsonic extension, not huge, low Q, with a relatively flat response from 20-90Hz? Again, output is not so much a concern but having headroom would be nice. The closest match I've seen yet would be the Thiel Smart Sub 1, only it exceeds my budget a fair amount and is hard to come by. I'm willing to buy used or new, b&m or ID.

It's unfortunate that Tom Nousaine's list is lacking many ID subs I'm interested in but have no way to determine how they compare to other subs on his list as near I can tell. He also doesn't have the Q factor in the lists either.
This SVS sub is a little above your budget, but is the cheapest I can find that fits your description.

It can achieve 100db through the major part of its operating range and is only 3db down at 23 Hz.

That little sub looks a good deal to me and shipping is free.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I'll weigh the SVS in, if I don't have to spend the top end of budget that would obviously be better.

Are there any used subs you can recommend?

I was considering the PSB SubSeries 6i/SubSonic 6i.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
Newegg had the Supercube I on sale for $500 shipped yesterday, not sure if the deal is still on.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
They're gone and the SuperCube I has set sail. Should have listened to those here who told me not to buy it. I don't necessarily think it's a horrible sub, it just doesn't do what I want.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I'll weigh the SVS in, if I don't have to spend the top end of budget that would obviously be better.

Are there any used subs you can recommend?

I was considering the PSB SubSeries 6i/SubSonic 6i.
There are pages of subs on eBay. People sure know what to get rid of. After 15 pages or so, I threw in the towel. Just a who's who of junk subs.

There is only one sub for sale on Audiogon and its $37,000!

Is there anyway you could build a sub? Your budget is on the low end for an effective sub. There is a lot of workmanship in a good sub and it costs.

I would really stay away from ported commercial subs, especially in your price range. They will tend to high Q, port compression and turbulence is spades.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
So no thoughts on the PSB SubSonic 6i? It scored pretty high on Tom Nousaine's list.

There's also an Epik Empire on Audiogon for $699 and is about $200 miles from me. Seems like an excessive amount of sub for my needs, and at 120 pounds it's not going to be easy to move around.
 
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