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chefp2010

Enthusiast
Hello to all again I've had some great help with this forum especially from Pyro and herbu so thx to all...
I ran audyssey and noticed after looking into my parameters I noticed it set my speakers to small and 200hz so I'm wondering why this is aren't they full range speakers? I also read that when audyssey sets a crossover that your not supposed to lower them... Reason why I'm asking is if denon sets them at 200hz and I set them at say 80 or 60hz isn't that lowering them or is this okay? When I run audyssey on def tech bp7002 am I supposed to turn down or off the subs or not and is that maybe a reason why audyssey sets them at small? Thx again all advice is welcome and thx again.
 
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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
chefp2010,
I'm no expert on this stuff, certainly not on Audyssey, and frankly don't know why some power decided to designate me as "somebody who should be listened to". As with anything on the internet, you are right to question anything you read.

I can tell you I only use Audyssey for 2 things:
1) Setting speaker distance
2) Setting a starting point for individual speaker volumes

By far, I think speaker distance is the key parameter set by Audyssey. Your brain perceives where a sound is coming from because of the split second difference in when a sound wave hits each of your 2 ears. (I assume you do have 2 ears.) Your brain detects the difference and uses it to calculate if a sound is coming from left, front, right, etc. Pretty amazing.

When a sound is generated to seem like it's coming from straight in front of you, that sound is sent to the left & right speakers at exactly the same time. So when the sounds hit your ears at exactly the same time, your brain calculates it is coming from directly in front of you, and it sounds like it is coming right out of your TV. Now suppose your front left and front right speakers are not exactly equidistant from your listening spot. The sound will not hit both your ears at exactly the same time, and your brain decides it is coming from left or right of center.

This is why speaker distance from your primary listening position is important. It applies to fronts, surrounds and rears... any speaker pair. Audyssey detects exactly how long the sound from each speaker takes to reach the microphone, (your ears in the primary listening area), and adjusts the sounds to each channel so it "sounds" right when you hear it. So the speaker distance setting within Audyssey is the single setting I never change.

(The subwoofer is different because of the looooong wavelength of low frequencies. The wavelength is long enough that the distance between your two ears is too short to detect any difference in when the wave hits them. It is why you can't tell where a very low sound is coming from. If you use 2 subwoofers, Audyssey helps w/ phase matching, but is not necessary with only 1 sub.)

Audyssey volume for each speaker is a good starting point, but your preferences may vary for any number of reasons. If you decide a speaker is too loud or too soft, don't feel bad about changing its volume to something you like.

All the other stuff in Audyssey is stuff I change. Speakers to "small", and crossovers to recommendation by speaker maker. However, I don't have any experience with Def Tecs, or speakers with built-in subs. I would guess you treat the subs just like you would separate subs, but I'm sure some people here can give you more specific help.
 
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ReUpRo

Full Audioholic
Since there is a powered sub built into the speakers, you have two options,

Stereo setup with speaker wire connection only: Connect speaker wire to plugs; set bass management as Front=Large, Subwoofer=None.

Multi channel setup, speaker wire + subwoofer cable: In addition to speaker wires connect low-level cables from the LFE/Subwoofer output of the receiver/processor to the LFE inputs of the speaker (use as many Y connector as required). Set bass management as Front=Small, Subwoofer=Yes. The benefit of this hook up method is that one now has the ability to control the level of the LFE channel relative to Front L&R bass.
 
DannyA

DannyA

Audioholic
Do you have a dedicated subwoofer? That will make a difference in your tuning.
I had similar results when I ran YAPO on my Yamaha so I called DefTech support. They informed me the calibration software does not work very well or at all with bi-polar speakers. My BP7006s are very finicky. Placement, distance and room acoustics are critical for any speakers but the DefTechs seem more so. You may want to swap L/R as the firing direction of the powered subs makes a big difference. These speakers also need some breathing room. I have mine about 1.5 feet from the wall. Others say you can go further but I don't have the space to move them out 3 feet.
I do have a dedicated sub and I know that you are supposed to set your speakers to "small" but I like the sound better with them (mains) set to large. I think it is because of the powered subs in the BP7006s.
I'm probably going to get "smacked" by the gurus for this one but I set my mains back to "large" and 80hz crossover on all of my speakers. :eek:(Here comes another smack) According to the specs, all of my speakers can go lower than 80hz.
I would follow Herbu's advice and get the position and distance down, then tweak to your liking.
FWIW, I would take a few minutes and contact the technicians at DefTech. I'm sure they will give you some good advice.

Good luck and let us know how things turn out!
 

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