Decideding on Surrounds for my Triton One setup, need advice

[Cos]

I am trying to finish off my speaker setup for my soon to be man cave and I had some questions

-Golden Ear Triton One as my mains
-Aon 3s as my rears
-I am going to use my SuperCenter XL from my bedroom as a temp solution until GE comes out with its rumored XXL version or whatever they are going to call it

My question is on Surrounds.

I originally was going to go with Triton Sevens as my surrounds, but I was curious if it might be better to go with the Triton 3s for the extra 800W subwoofers built into each.

My question regarding this...

1. Would it be bad to use the smaller 800W subwoofer with the 1600W subwoofers that are already in the Triton One?
Room size is 20.5' by 25' for setup 9' Ceilings
Room is being built from ground up

 

[markw]

I really think subwoofers in surrounds are overkill.

 

[stactum]

Have you had a chance to listen Aon 2 and 3? I think these have a lot of sound for their size and won't break the budget. Surrounds are used in a very limited fashion so no need to overpay for them.


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[Cos]

Yes, I currently have them in my bedroom setup .

 

[slipperybidness]

I really think subwoofers in surrounds are overkill.

+1

I'll even go the next step and say that using towers as surrounds is overkill. Also, consider that towers take up more room and are more likely to "get in the way" as compared to wall-mounted surrounds. Towers are going to be more difficult to place and will require "breathing room".

It may not be a problem if you are custom-building the room though.

 

[walter duque]

I had a pair of towers with build in subs. I was very impressed when I bought them (about 15 years ago), but after a while they didn't sound that impressive anymore. Maybe I just got tired of them. Did manage to sell them recently for almost what I paid for them, thank god they're gone. I would use surrounds and rears without build in subs, but would at 2 rear subs instead. 4 subs to me is the way to go.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

1. Would it be bad to use the smaller 800W subwoofer with the 1600W subwoofers that are already in the Triton One?
Room size is 20.5' by 25' for setup 9' Ceilings
Room is being built from ground up

Feed LFE to all the LFE Inputs of the Triton One and Three towers. It would be like having 4 subwoofers around the room. It is all good IMO.

Of course, as Walter says, 4 subs are better if it is feasible.

I will have 5 RBH SX-T2/R towers in my HT room. But each tower actually has a true SX-1010 subwoofer. So 5 towers in my case = 5 SX-1010 subwoofers.

If you don't feed LFE/Sub signal to the built-in subs of the Trion towers, then it is a waste.

 

[markw]

You assume that the ideal placement for the surrounds will also be the ideal placement for additional subwoofers.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

You assume that the ideal placement for the surrounds will also be the ideal placement for additional subwoofers.

If the ideal placement of the sub is in the middle of the room, are you going to place the subs in the middle of the room?

If the ideal placement is right where you sit, are you going to move your seat somewhere else and place the sub there?

From Audioholics Home Theater Guide:

If you are running four subs, the ideal locations for them in a rectangular room are the corners of the room. Assuming all subs are identical, this will achieve up to 12dB of increased output when compared to a single corner loaded subwoofer. Placing the subs in all 4 corners will maximally reduce standing waves through destructive interference and provide the most linear and consistent frequency response for all seats. Used in conjunction with global equalization, this option provides nearly as good frequency response and seat to seat variation as the mid-wall placement with the huge advantage in efficiency. This can allow you to use smaller less powerful subs compared to the mid-wall placement.

In my experience I've had excellent results placing two subs against the front wall at locations of 1/4 the room width. I've had even better results placing two additional subs in a similar manner against the back wall. This configuration can achieve nearly as good frequency response performance as the 4 Corner placement with nearly as much bass gain as well.


[url]http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-setup/multiple-subwoofer-setup-calibration-1[/URL]


I wonder where most people place their surround speakers? Could it be in the rear corners of their rooms?


1/4W placement of 4 subs, which is along the front and back walls and close to the 4 corners, is also ideal placement of 4 subs. Hey, wait, 1/4W placement along the front wall seems pretty good for the front L/R speakers. And 1/4W placement along the rear wall seems pretty good for the surround speakers too. What do you know?

Well, what do you know? It seems like good placements of subs can also be pretty decent placements of speakers.

 

[walter duque]

You assume that the ideal placement for the surrounds will also be the ideal placement for additional subwoofers.

That's the whole point. Right like always Mark.

 

[Cos]

Feed LFE to all the LFE Inputs of the Triton One and Three towers. It would be like having 4 subwoofers around the room. It is all good IMO.

Of course, as Walter says, 4 subs are better if it is feasible.

I will have 5 RBH SX-T2/R towers in my HT room. But each tower actually has a true SX-1010 subwoofer. So 5 towers in my case = 5 SX-1010 subwoofers.

If you don't feed LFE/Sub signal to the built-in subs of the Trion towers, then it is a waste.

That at leads me to my next question. Four potential subs and most pre/pros only have two LFE what is the best way to cover 4 subs?

 

[markw]

Tritons are nice speakers amd I love their high end transducer but do you really think those built-in subwoofers can compare to a standalone subwoofer, say from Hsu or SVS when the rubber meets the road for HT purposes?

But, hey, the heart wants what the heart wants. Just use a couple of "Y" splitters and hope the room correction can handle them properly..

 

[Steve81]

I'd tend to side with Mark on this one. I'd go with another pair of Aon 3s for your surrounds. If you're looking for more bass, use the cash saved vs the Triton 3s to add a dedicated sub to the mix. From there, you can futz around with your configuration options, i.e. running the Triton One's as large speakers, possibly using a double bass option if you wanted some additional low end kick, etc.

 

[slipperybidness]

Tritons are nice speakers amd I love their high end transducer but do you really think those built-in subwoofers can compare to a standalone subwoofer, say from Hsu or SVS when the rubber meets the road for HT purposes?

But, hey, the heart wants what the heart wants. Just use a couple of "Y" splitters and hope the room correction can handle them properly..

I own the T2s and I can absolutely tell you that they can't compete with my Rythmik F15HP. I know, SHOCKER!!!

For music, the T2s are great and all you really "need". For movie LFE, not so much.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yeah, I think everyone (including me) will agree that dedicated subs are the better route, instead of the built-in little sub.

But if you are set on getting the Trion 3 or similar, then it will probably be okay too. Not the best SPL compared to any good $500+ ID subs, but good enough for some people.

Just get a Y-cable or adapter to split the LFE signal into 4.

 

[cpp]

I own the T2s and I can absolutely tell you that they can't compete with my Rythmik F15HP. I know, SHOCKER!!!

For music, the T2s are great and all you really "need". For movie LFE, not so much.

I also own the two's and they do not compare to a stand alone sub...

 

[Cos]

I doubt very highly that any speaker with an internal Sub can compete with a stand alone. I will say this, the subs in the Triton Ones are on a completely different level than the twos. I heard both. I also still have my seismic 12 and may hang on to it, just for a frame of reference.

At the end of the day, I think I will just end up using my existing bedroom T7s or Aon 3s and go with separate subs in the back, after getting all this feedback, that sounds like the better alternative. My whole idea behind looking at this is that there is about less than $500 difference between the T7 vs T3. I am going to go two channel in the bedroom and get the Halo P5 and dump my Integra.

Thanks for the input everyone!

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

It all comes down to room/space availability and WAF. If you have the room for separate subs + towers and your wife agrees, then definitely go for it.