eljr

eljr

Audioholic General
It's a bit shocking honestly. People legitimately think that the fact that hospitals aren't giving patients drugs or treatments they see on tv, Facebook, or whatever (because they aren't approved and can kill you) means that they want them to die.

This misinformation is so far out of hand it's legitimately dangerous.
They place their faith in Trumpist media instead of teh FDA and CDC. Pretty disturbing, to say the least.
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Spartan
They place their faith in Trumpist media instead of teh FDA and CDC. Pretty disturbing, to say the least.
My question is why the hell the media is so hell bent on killing these people? Especially when they're all required to be vaccinated to even be on TV?
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Samurai
Well as our Governor DeSantis still thinks mask are not needed in schools, this in Jacksonville news. News from one local hospital.

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. – UF Health officials wrapped up a teleconference with local politicians Tuesday, filling them in on where the city stands with the COVID-19 pandemic, including local cases and how the virus is now affecting children.

At UF Health as of Tuesday, 127 people are in the hospital with COVID-19, with 44 of those patients in the ICU.

While the numbers appear to be coming down, ICUs are still about 75% full.

“We are better than a few weeks ago but our cases remain steady and are not declining,” UF Health Jacksonville CEO Russ Armistead said. “We are hopeful that we don’t get another surge following the holiday.”

Dr. Mobeen Rathore, a pediatrician with UF Health and Wolfson Children’s Hospital, confirmed during Tuesday’s call that the death of a teen in St. Johns County recently was a result of COVID.

And he said some kids are getting very sick. As of Tuesday, there are 14 kids at Wolfson being treated for COVID with five in the ICU.

“Kids do get sick. Kids do get hospitalized. Kids do get sick and go to the ICU get intubated, be on a ventilator and even be on ECMO which is a heart lung machine, sort of a last ditch effort to support these children. Unfortunately children do die. In fact many of you probably heard the news, there’s a 17-year-old who died in St. Johns County just in the last few days so I think we have to be very sure and understand that kids can get serious illness. And I can tell you that in the almost 18 months ending in June we had three deaths in our area in children. That’s one death every six months. And just in July and August we had four deaths in children so that’s two deaths a month.”

Its really hard for me to even get my brain around a parent using some political agenda to stop their child from using a mask that would hopefully prevent their child or someones else's child from getting covid.
 
Darenwh

Darenwh

Audioholic
The thing that gets me is how many of the antivax crowd are anti science but spend most of their time on smart phones and tablets researching this crap. They also fear the government following them.

Do they think smart phone manufacturers are sitting in a room casting spells and chanting to some unknown god to make these things work?

Also, why do they carry a smart phone everywhere they go when the science to make them is counter to their beliefs, the fact they can be traced at all times allow their owners to be tracked, everything they view and post online can be tracked, and by simply activating the mike and camera the government can know everything you are doing?
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Samurai
the antivax crowd are anti science
Not buying that, the antivax are not all anti science, they are for the most part anti govt and just plain anti "I do it my way" group or the "you can't tell me what to do group", and the "Trump told us not to do it group".:)
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Field Marshall
Look at a satellite view of Nebraska- most of the state is unpopulated.
Nebraska stopped reporting COVID numbers for counties with low populations based on alleged privacy concerns, but that does not mean there are zero new COVID cases in those counties. I'm skeptical that it would be possible to ascertain the identity of individuals based on county-specific test results.

The state website (link below) says: "State and Federal law restricts the release of COVID-related data depending on the source from which it was collected, and whether or not the identity of the individuals involved can be ascertained" and the restrictions had been "temporarily suspended during the state of Nebraska emergency declaration."

Here's an NPR article about it:

>>>Officials in Nebraska recently stopped publishing county-level coronavirus data — citing privacy concerns. . . . BAUER: One reason Ricketts shut down the dashboard when case numbers dropped is because Nebraska counties have fewer than 20,000 residents, and he said publishing county-level COVID data could violate state and federal health privacy laws. . . .
BAUER: Statewide, the current COVID surge in Nebraska has risen as high as it was last fall, just before it reached its peak.<<< (emphasis added)


The NYT website says:

>>>On May 26, Nebraska stopped providing a county breakdown of cases and deaths. The county data on this page is from local health officials. . . . In data for Nebraska, The Times primarily relies on reports from the state, as well as health districts or county governments that often report ahead of the state. The state does not update its data on weekends. Prior to May 15, 2021, it released new data daily. The state reports cases and deaths based on a person’s permanent or usual residence. The Times has identified reporting anomalies or methodology changes in the data.<<<


 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Spartan
Not buying that, the antivax are not anti science, they are for the most part anti govt and just plain anti "I do it my way" group or the "you can't tell me what to do group", and the "Trump told us not to do it group".
No, tons of them really are anti science, but they aren't smart enough to understand the gravity of that belief. What they really mean is that they are anti medical science. Not science as a whole.

However, a lot of them also fall into your category as well. Those are the anti vaxx folks that are only anti COVID vaccine, the others are fine.
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Samurai
No, tons of them really are anti science, but they aren't smart enough to understand the gravity of that belief. What they really mean is that they are anti medical science. Not science as a whole.

However, a lot of them also fall into your category as well. Those are the anti vaxx folks that are only anti COVID vaccine, the others are fine.
I'll buy that. Its so difficult to understand, that until a anti vaxer loses a family member, then they (the other family members or relatives) get vaccinated. Like a week or so ago, we lost a good neighbor, which i posted, pro Trump, retired military vet, a really nice guy, but he and his wife didn't get vaccinated, as they didn't trust the speed this vaccine came out. He passed away due to covid and his wife got vaccinated this week, and her statement " it was horrible to see him suffering to breath". My wife asked her way didn't you get vaccinated, she said, my husband didn't want to and so I supported that and now I know that was a mistake. Some how the wife never tested positive. ( PS: it appears he gave it to his wifes mother who is now in the local hospital) How many more family's out there are doing the very same logic.
 
Darenwh

Darenwh

Audioholic
I am wondering how many families are going to be destroyed by this, not only due to losing a loved one, but also due to blaming one or more members with stopping others from getting vaccinate.

For instance, if the mother had died would the kids never talk to the father again due to his stance costing them their mother? What if they had lost a sibling or the mother had lost a child? Could the father look himself in the mirror every day knowing his stance cost his wife or child their life?

The results of all this anti vaccine and anti mask will, in the long run, cost many far more than just the loss of life…
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Spartan
So this really has nothing to do with COVID, but I hadn't ever read the Call of Cthulhu until tonight and the opening paragraph is appropriate to all this...maybe.

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
Although this is preliminary data, it is indicative of the costs associated with hospitalization due to COVID in Canada. Price tag: On average, C$23,000 - about the same as a kidney transplant. The irony is that the typical anti-vaxxer (as it pertains to the COVID vaccines, at least) is an anti-socialist, respect my individual rights kinda person, who has no problem availing themselves of publicly funded hospital care.

 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
A little good news? Possibly … …

In today's Washington Post, nationwide, the new Covid-19 cases and deaths have begun to drop. Before anyone else says it, I'll point out that last winter, we saw several ups and downs in these numbers before there was a real drop. And these are nationwide numbers, not individual states.
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As usual, the deaths lag behind the new cases.
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Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
President Biden is expected to sign an order today (9 Sept 2021) requiring all US federal and contractor employees (about 2.5 million people) to be vaccinated, without any option for regular coronavirus testing to opt out of the mandate. He is expected to announce this 5 pm today.

If anyone has any delusions, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is here for a very long time. The pandemic will eventually ease, but the infections will continue world wide, in waves. Vaccination can blunt this, but any expectations that vaccinations or naturally acquired immunity will cause the virus and the pandemic to disappear are simply unrealistic. Look at all the infectious virus diseases that still plague the world today. Only one, small pox, has been contained enough to believe it's been eradicated.
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Field Marshall
If anyone has any delusions, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is here for a very long time. The pandemic will eventually ease, but the infections will continue world wide, in waves. Vaccination can blunt this, but any expectations that vaccinations or naturally acquired immunity will cause the virus and the pandemic to disappear are simply unrealistic. Look at all the infectious virus diseases that still plague the world today. Only one, small pox, has been contained enough to believe it's been eradicated.
At this point I’m just hoping that better treatments are developed.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I'll buy that. Its so difficult to understand, that until a anti vaxer loses a family member, then they (the other family members or relatives) get vaccinated. Like a week or so ago, we lost a good neighbor, which i posted, pro Trump, retired military vet, a really nice guy, but he and his wife didn't get vaccinated, as they didn't trust the speed this vaccine came out. He passed away due to covid and his wife got vaccinated this week, and her statement " it was horrible to see him suffering to breath". My wife asked her way didn't you get vaccinated, she said, my husband didn't want to and so I supported that and now I know that was a mistake. Some how the wife never tested positive. ( PS: it appears he gave it to his wifes mother who is now in the local hospital) How many more family's out there are doing the very same logic.
Yes, this boggles my mind as well that one has to experience this first had before realization hits home.
But then, some audio folks are the same on other forums, if you have not tried it first hand, you just don't know.
I am surprised that we have discovered and invented us to this level of technology and life without reinventing the wheel over and over.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Nebraska stopped reporting COVID numbers for counties with low populations based on alleged privacy concerns, but that does not mean there are zero new COVID cases in those counties. I'm skeptical that it would be possible to ascertain the identity of individuals based on county-specific test results.

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Mind boggling.
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Samurai
Got my booster yesterday. Just a small tiny area of soreness around the shot injection point, and its much better this morning than it was last night, but that's it. Time to mow grass and edge the lawn this morning. :)
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Got my booster yesterday. Just a small tiny area of soreness around the shot injection point, and its much better this morning than it was last night, but that's it. Time to mow grass and edge the lawn this morning. :)
Oh, you got the vaccine. It was nice knowing you ;-)
 
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