Connecting amp to receiver w/ no preamp outs

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gerrygr

Audiophyte
Don't know if this belongs here or in the Amps section, but here goes.

Is it possible (or recommended) to connect a stereo power amp to a receiver that has no dedicated preamp outs?

I see that there are some high level to RCA adapters, but those are mostly for the car stereos.

I have a Yamaha RX 692
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Your only option here is to use those adapters you mention but remember, you will need one heckuva amp to make a significant difference.

At least twice the power is needed for a small increase in peak loudness and, even then, you might not be as satisfied as you may think. Also, you run the risk of overdriving the new power amp.
 
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gerrygr

Audiophyte
Thanks. I was thinking of using a 150W/2 channel amp just to drive the fronts for stereo. I believe the Yamaha is rated at 85W.

[Edit] Another option to consider is the Audiosource amp that has high level speaker inputs.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
what are your "stereo" speakers? tower or bookshelf? what's the sensitivity? how many drivers? recommended wattage?
 
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gerrygr

Audiophyte
I have NHT 1.4 towers - 6ohms - 1 tweeter, 3x4.5" mid range drivers, passive 8" side firing sub -

Web site says 86 dB @ 2.83 V/M Impedance 8 ohms, but the speakers list 6 ohms.

Power - 35-200 watts/channel

I made a mistake on the reciver - it's Y - RXV620
 
Resident Loser

Resident Loser

Senior Audioholic
As markw said...

gerrygr said:
Don't know if this belongs here or in the Amps section, but here goes.

Is it possible (or recommended) to connect a stereo power amp to a receiver that has no dedicated preamp outs?

I see that there are some high level to RCA adapters, but those are mostly for the car stereos.

I have a Yamaha RX 692
...yes...but the power difference thing mentioned is to be considered...you could use an adapter cord from your headphone jack...but...there are other things in the pro-audio market called direct-boxes which can do it...but the really good one's are really expensive and you'll need two for stereo...probably cheaper to look for a unit that can support and outboard amp...HK comes to mind...Denon also I believe...

Have you considered a powered sub-woofer? The dedicated amp in one would cut some slack for the Yammie...of course you'll need a place to put it...

jimHJJ(...which may pose some problems...)
 
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gerrygr

Audiophyte
I have a powered sub that's connected to the sub out.

Maybe my issue is total speakers. I run a 5.1, with mains at 6 ohm, center at 8 ohm, and rear surrounds at 8 from speaker terminals A. From speaker terminals B, I run a Sima speaker selector, where I connect 2 more sets of speakers 8 ohms - 50 W max.

My Yamaha has been sproradically cutting out on R & L channels. However, the rear surrounds always work. Thus, I'm looking to take the load off the mains.

It could also be that I need to clean out the inside of the heatsinks and reapply thermal grease.


Or buy a new receiver....
 
Resident Loser

Resident Loser

Senior Audioholic
You are most likely...

gerrygr said:
I have a powered sub that's connected to the sub out.

Maybe my issue is total speakers. I run a 5.1, with mains at 6 ohm, center at 8 ohm, and rear surrounds at 8 from speaker terminals A. From speaker terminals B, I run a Sima speaker selector, where I connect 2 more sets of speakers 8 ohms - 50 W max.

My Yamaha has been sproradically cutting out on R & L channels. However, the rear surrounds always work. Thus, I'm looking to take the load off the mains.

It could also be that I need to clean out the inside of the heatsinks and reapply thermal grease.


Or buy a new receiver....
...overloading the amp and triggering it's protection circuitry...Do you actually know what load you are presenting to the amplifier?...Yamaha specs into a 8 Ohm load...Does your model have an impedance selector switch on the rear panel? Remember, 4, 6 and 8 Ohm values are nominal values and that in practice the signal applied will make the true load vary widely frome that value...It may have the same effect on any component you connect it to, there's no guarantee you won't have the same problem...

Cleaning and greasing are a waste of time...you need fans, a lower load and/or multiple amps...

jimHJJ(...start disconnecting speakers and see if the trouble disappears...)
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
gerrygr said:
I have a powered sub that's connected to the sub out.

Maybe my issue is total speakers. I run a 5.1, with mains at 6 ohm, center at 8 ohm, and rear surrounds at 8 from speaker terminals A. From speaker terminals B, I run a Sima speaker selector, where I connect 2 more sets of speakers 8 ohms - 50 W max.

My Yamaha has been sproradically cutting out on R & L channels. However, the rear surrounds always work. Thus, I'm looking to take the load off the mains.

It could also be that I need to clean out the inside of the heatsinks and reapply thermal grease.


Or buy a new receiver....
It sounds like you need to disconnect everything from your B terminals; you are very likely presenting the main channels of the Yamaha receiver with far too low of an impedance (however, we would need to know more about how your Yamaha connects the A and B together, and we would need to know what is going on inside your Sima speaker selector). If you must run that many speakers, you could try using a separate amplifier connected to your tape output, though you would then need to control that with its own volume control. If you must have all of those speakers going at once, and if you must control them all with one volume control, you could get a new receiver with preamp outputs, and hook up a separate amplifier for the extra speakers. Or, you could just use that Audiosource amplifier that you mention that can handle high level inputs, hook it up to the B terminals, and drive the extra speakers with it (or use high level to RCA adaptors with a different amplifier). Most likely, the way the high level input works is that, for each channel, a resister with a value in the neighborhood of 50k ohms is used to drop the level down to an appropriate level for the amplifier's input. If that is how it is done, then this should have an insignificant effect on the impedance presented to your Yamaha receiver, and should work okay. But before you buy, find out what impedance is presented to your Yamaha by the Audiosource amp (or high level to RCA adaptor) to make sure all will be okay.

Another option, depending on what your Sima selector does, is to connect all of your main speakers to the Sima selector (if it can deal with 3 pairs of speakers, and if it is wired to keep the impedance high enough for your amplifier, which it may or may not be), and connect it to the A terminals, and do not use the B terminals of your receiver. Before trying this, find out what your Sima does. If it simply hooks everything up in parallel, do not do this; try one of the suggestions above.
 
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gerrygr

Audiophyte
A fix has been implemented - I disconnected the towers subs from the system, and the receiver is working fine. This is temporary until I either upgrade the AVR or get the Audiosource amp.
 
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danglerb

Audioholic Intern
Receivers often have MUCH less power when all channels are driven, so running the L/R off another amp might really help. Tape monitor output won't have the volume adjusted, but the Headphone output does and it isn't 10 cents different in most cases than any normal line level output. If plugging in a headphone mutes all the channels that could be a problem. ;)

Nothing a few minutes with a soldering iron shouldn't fix.
 
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River88

Audiophyte
Can I use the "video audio out" as a preamp/line-level output ?

Can I use the "video audio out" or the CD recorder RCA jack output on my Sony STR-DG720 receiver as a preamp/line-level output to an amp or second receiver? The DG720does not have a separate line level output. Thanks
 

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