Check out these speakers someone linked at AVS

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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
They are Digital Phase speakers and they seem to have flat FR throughout their entire line. This is their second to top of line AP-2 which cost $1999 and they are ID. So the question is, are these just too good to be true for the price?

http://digitalp.com/ap2.htm



 
furrycute

furrycute

Banned
Sometimes when it's too good to be true, it usually is.

Has anyone heard these speakers? If this is true, then this could be revolutionary.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
They are Digital Phase speakers and they seem to have flat FR throughout their entire line. This is their second to top of line AP-2 which cost $1999 and they are ID. So the question is, are these just too good to be true for the price?

http://digitalp.com/ap2.htm



BS alarms on overload! Digital Phase. Nothing digital about it. Not forthcoming about this acousta-Reed enclosure. I would be highly suspicious!
 
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silversurfer

Senior Audioholic
I have read about these somewhere before, but can not remember where. IIRC, it was pretty positive.

Would like to see other measurements too.
 
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dronezero

Audioholic
Definately sounds like BS. All of their speakers (even the bookshelves) have the same frequency range spec 35Hz-20kHz +1.5 db.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
Definately sounds like BS. All of their speakers (even the bookshelves) have the same frequency range spec 35Hz-20kHz +1.5 db.
If you look closely at the bookshelf and lower end model they are not as flat as this one and their top of the line. But anyway they state 30 day home audition on their site so how bad could it be. There are a lot of speakers out there that not everyone knows about which could be great.

Edit: There is big dealer in San Antonio that carries them who also carries some expensive stuff like MBL, Nola, Quad so there must something to these.
 
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avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
Don't get caught up in just one spec. Learn the whole story.

Often time people get caught up in on axis frequency response and to be honest that simply isn't enough to get an idea of how a speaker sounds.

While these speakers on axis gated frequency response is pretty impressive there are a couple things to realize about this type of measurement before deciding these speakers sound great - first being such extreme linearity is not perceived as pleasant. This is why many researchers recommend gradual roll off. This by no means does not mean that the linearity is a bad thing, in fact I would say its a great thing as such linearity is ideal for use with an equalizer to achieve any desired response.

In using a gated response to measure frequency response any coloration in these speakers due to resonance will not be seen on the graph. To see such coloration far field measurements at various angles must be made and averaged in an anechoic environment. Since this is often times very complicated it is far easier to attach an accelerometer to the cabinet at various points and average that response.

Also, off-axis response has been shown to be vital to a few areas of perceived loudspeaker performance. Firstly, the situation most of us are familiar with is imaging. Speakers with poor off-axis response will generally not image as well as those with good off-axis response in a room with reasonable resonance levels. The other issue at hand is that multiple different perceptual studies has shown that slightly delayed, but similar in magnitude, reflections to the listeners ears increase perceived stereophonic sound quality.

A cumulative spectral-decay is also needed to gain a larger understanding of the systems delayed resonance. Along side these measurements having access to impedance characteristics and SPL vs THD graphs would be vital to understanding the crossover network and true dynamic capabilities of the loudspeaker.

I have just hit the tip of the iceberg on this subject for more Stereophile has actually written an article on why they take the measurements they do. This is an extremely good article that has been back up by quite a bit of credible research in the audio field. While often times their subjective views are a little off the wall - their objective measurements are very accurate.

The article: Part 1 2 3
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
I would have to go with the DellaSala Loudspeaker Quality Law that states "Any loudspeaker with the word 'Digital' in its name is gar-bahge." :D
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
It's not impossible to make a speaker with a flat Frequency response.

Find more measurements with Off axis response, THD, and cabinet resonance(accelerometer test).

SheepStar
 
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chadnliz

Senior Audioholic
Hey they have to be greaat speakers, they come with a chart! Oh yeah I bet they are delivered in WHITE VAN and if you catch them on the right day I bet they give you one heck of a discount! WAKE UP PEOPLE!
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Hey they have to be greaat speakers, they come with a chart! Oh yeah I bet they are delivered in WHITE VAN and if you catch them on the right day I bet they give you one heck of a discount! WAKE UP PEOPLE!
All that off of a website eh?

Guilty until proven innocent.

SheepStar
 
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Johnd

Audioholic Samurai
Did anyone notice that the review of the design engineer and speaker was from Rolling Stone magazine (the penultimate speaker review authority :rolleyes:) from 1994...14 years ago!
 
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chadnliz

Senior Audioholic
Is there a problem with my post Sheep or are this this witty with everyone?
 
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