when i was in college, everyone had Cerwin Vega 12's -- including myself, and they were great for playing music loud w/ a lot of bass. I sold my speakers a few years after i graduated and I am not sure about CV's quality now, but I know when I looked at them, in the early 90's, the 12's were much better than the 15's. They sounded better than the 15's, put out plenty of bass, and were capible of playing extremely loud. When I bought my Vega's I was all set on getting 15's to one up everyone elses, but came to the conclusion the 12's were a better speaker -- they sounded better and were a little cleaner than the 15's. I actually sold my Vegas and bought some PSB-500's. I still have the PSB's in one room in my house and still enjoy them, but upgraded my main system w/ B&W's. If you just want raw power, Vegas are probably still a good choice, but if you want some great sounding speakers, you should probably look elsewhere.