Can we have a rational discussion about guns and why the typical arguments for gun control and its implementation won't work?

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Why is it a bad comparison- to you, maybe.

And when did killing Chickens for food become something people did? A helluva long time ago- they also produce eggs in a size that makes them worth collecting, so they have this advantage over Squirrels, too. Also, Chickens have been bred to grow faster and larger- they weren't very big a long time ago.
When a Shark is on the prowl, someone doesn't need to be the fastest swimmer, they just need to be faster than someone else whose in the area.
Bizarre comments. Look in every grocery store in America and what do you see? Chicken & turkey, and eggs. I never see squirrel. Heck, I don't even see squirrel in the weird "International/strange & bizarre" section.

Irrelevant if your fast, slow, or indifferent. Surfing is awesome, but there are risks. If you get attacked by a shark during surfing, does it mean I wanna spend taxpayer dollars hunting em down? Uh no.:rolleyes:
 
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Shark attacks are not that common: "Every year, around 80 unprovoked attacks are reported worldwide."

I read 100 attacks to about 5 deaths per year. Nothing substantial, but then again my point was should it happen that's just how it is. Cause yanno like you are in their water.:rolleyes:
 
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Bizarre comments. Look in every grocery store in America and what do you see? Chicken & turkey, and eggs. I never see squirrel. Heck, I don't even see squirrel in the weird "International/strange & bizarre" section.

Irrelevant if your fast, slow, or indifferent. Surfing is awesome, but there are risks. If you get attacked by a shark during surfing, does it mean I wanna spend taxpayer dollars hunting em down? Uh no.:rolleyes:
They won't offer Squirrel in stores unless there's enough demand for it.

From the link-

"While there are times when a squirrel is safe to eat, you should never try to kill one and eat it. The ODNR has guidelines to protect you and your family from eating an injured squirrel. Those guidelines are important to remember when preparing squirrel meat in your kitchen. You should avoid butter or cream based sauces, as these can harm the animal. Instead, use a beurre sauce, and if possible, a mix of veal or beef stocks. Finally, don’t use dark liquor when cooking a squirrel."


Also, from the second link,

"Can you eat squirrel? Yes, in general, squirrel meat is safe to eat and delicious. It’s said to taste a little like chicken or rabbit, with a distinctly nutty flavor. The meat is finely textured, lean, and light in color.

However, you must take some precautions to eat squirrel safely."


"Them's good vittles"- Jed Clampett

Not saying I'm gonna do it, but it seems that you're position that 'Squirrels aren't used for food' isn't quite correct.
 
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They won't offer Squirrel in stores unless there's enough demand for it.

From the link-

"While there are times when a squirrel is safe to eat, you should never try to kill one and eat it. The ODNR has guidelines to protect you and your family from eating an injured squirrel. Those guidelines are important to remember when preparing squirrel meat in your kitchen. You should avoid butter or cream based sauces, as these can harm the animal. Instead, use a beurre sauce, and if possible, a mix of veal or beef stocks. Finally, don’t use dark liquor when cooking a squirrel."


Also, from the second link,

"Can you eat squirrel? Yes, in general, squirrel meat is safe to eat and delicious. It’s said to taste a little like chicken or rabbit, with a distinctly nutty flavor. The meat is finely textured, lean, and light in color.

However, you must take some precautions to eat squirrel safely."


"Them's good vittles"- Jed Clampett

Not saying I'm gonna do it, but it seems that you're position that 'Squirrels aren't used for food' isn't quite correct.
Jeez dude, the argument isn't never. The argument is squirrels are not shot at for food. Their mostly shot at for fun. With exception to "destroying stuff" they're shot for fun. If you're 12 and squirrel shooting for fun, makes sense cause yanno kids don't know any better. 70 years-old and shooting squirrel for fun without any purpose? Well you're pretty f--king dumb.
 
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Jeez dude, the argument isn't never. The argument is squirrels are not shot at for food. Their mostly shot at for fun. With exception to "destroying stuff" they're shot for fun. If you're 12 and squirrel shooting for fun, makes sense cause yanno kids don't know any better. 70 years-old and shooting squirrel for fun without any purpose? Well you're pretty f--king dumb.
I shoot squirrels because they burro into your attic, die, then attract rats and mice. It's pest control.

I've never shot anything alive "for fun".
 
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I shoot squirrels because they burro into your attic, die, then attract rats and mice. It's pest control.

I've never shot anything alive "for fun".
Killing anything 'for fun' is completely unethical and immoral.
 
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I used to love killing ants when I was a kid with a magnifying glass on a sunny day ! :D
I did, too. We thought they couldn't feel or think, but then I saw a Budweiser commercial where ants used a beer bottle to burn a guy's head by focusing sunlight. :)
 
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Just finished this book, good read. Pretty much where Fla is heading thanks to Wild West Gov Ron.
“Eternity Street: Violence and Justice in Frontier Los Angeles,”
 
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Biden added universal background checks, including gun shows etc where there were none. If correct...
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Biden added universal background checks, including gun shows etc where there were none. If correct...
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Biden expanded background checks. WRT gun shows, "There were none" only applies to non-Federal Firearm License holders- private sellers haven't been required to involve an application unless they, as the article says "Dealers have previously been required to join the federal system only if they derived their chief livelihood from selling weapons. The bar is much lower now — the government has to prove only that they sold guns to “predominantly derive a profit” from their actions.". This needs to be defined better if it's to do any good.

This will save a few lives, but what does he want to do about the guns sold by criminals TO criminals?

The article also includes "Four in 10 illegal gun cases tracked by the bureau from 2017 to 2021 involved such unregulated sales, including thousands from shadow dealers who used legal loopholes to evade background checks, according to an analysis of firearms trafficking released last week."- that's great, but gangs and others will absolutely not start reporting to the ATF or FBI as they continue to move guns around the country. A gun can be bought quickly, cheaply and without anyone but the ones involved in the transaction knowing anything about it. THOSE won't be stopped and they contribute to far more deaths than the guns sold at shows.

The article contains "the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives will require anyone “engaged in the business” of selling guns at a profit to register as a federally licensed firearms dealer. That means those sellers must run background criminal and mental health checks on potential buyers."- that has been the case for quite awhile- it's not new. However, a private individual or dealer can't look into someone's health of any kind, independently- medical record privacy is protected and they (dealers) need to request this info.

That said, I think it's too easy for an applicant for gun purchase to lie about drug/alcohol addiction, mental illness and other details on the 4473. Addicts lie- it's what they do, so everyone needs to meet some level of testing results in order to buy a weapon.

I also don't have a problem with needing to be trained. Flailing around with a loaded gun is no way to handle a situation.

But, the US doesn't seem to be interested in helping people with mental illness and because many of those with various mental illness types have violent tendencies, they find ways to obtain weapons and we read about/see the results every damned day.

 
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