Can Someone Please Interpret this for me ?

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augustya

Junior Audioholic
If the Frequency Response between two speakers mention these figures

For the first one it says : Frequency Response-51Hz – 36kHz ±3dB on reference axis (Frequency range -6dB at 36Hz and 42kHz )

And for the second one it says : Frequency Reponses-45Hz-24KHz +/-3dB/useable bass to 40Hz (f6)

What is it supposed to mean ?

Which one would have better output going by those figures ? How does one interpret it ?

Thanks
 
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crossedover

Audioholic Chief
By output do you mean spl, bass extension, or upper frequency range? F3 (-3bdb) F6 (-6db) F10 (-10db) is. Where the speaker spl drops below it's rated range with a giving input, typically 1w 1m at a specific voltage input. +/- 3db is the variable across the rated frequency response.
 
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augustya

Junior Audioholic
By output do you mean spl, bass extension, or upper frequency range? F3 (-3bdb) F6 (-6db) F10 (-10db) is. Where the speaker spl drops below it's rated range with a giving input, typically 1w 1m at a specific voltage input. +/- 3db is the variable across the rated frequency response.
Whoa Man !! Whoa ! That's gone way above my head...All I meant These were the only two comparison figures that I got between two figures which I am contemplating, comparing to buy. I am looking to buy anyone out of these two and hence trying to understand based on technical figures which one is better.

With Output I mean simple, from a end user listening perspective. Which one will have better low frequency ? BASS ? etc...
 
rojo

rojo

Audioholic Samurai
Hard to say. Ostensibly the one rated 45Hz will have a greater bass range, but it's impossible to tell for sure without seeing a graph showing the rolloff. What are the brands and models of the speakers you're comparing?

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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
If the Frequency Response between two speakers mention these figures

For the first one it says : Frequency Response-51Hz – 36kHz ±3dB on reference axis (Frequency range -6dB at 36Hz and 42kHz )

And for the second one it says : Frequency Reponses-45Hz-24KHz +/-3dB/useable bass to 40Hz (f6)

What is it supposed to mean ?

Which one would have better output going by those figures ? How does one interpret it ?

Thanks
OK, I'm not an expert, but I like plain talking. I'll give it a shot, and the real experts here can correct me if I'm wrong.

1) 3db is generally considered the smallest change in volume that a person can distinguish. So when they give a rating and say "+/- 3dB", they mean the speaker will reproduce these frequencies at a constant enough level that you probably can't hear any deviations.

2) People with very, VERY, good hearing can hear a low of 20Hz and a high of 20kHz. The truth is that very few can hear up to 20kHz, and the older you get the lower your limit becomes. I'm 59 and can't hear above about 10k Hz.

On the other side, you can hear pretty low frequencies. And beyond the level you can hear, you can still feel. On a piano, the very lowest note is 27Hz, middle C is 261Hz, and the very highest note is 4.2kHz. Likely, you can easily hear the lowest note on a piano, thunder/explosions on TV/Movies goes below that, and even below 20Hz you can feel the rumble/thump/shock wave.

So let's look at your speakers.
Frequency Response-51Hz – 36kHz ±3dB
>This speaker can reproduce sounds between 51Hz and 36kHz with a level of volume accuracy such that you probably can't tell that any frequency is noticeably louder or softer, (+/- 3dB).
> On the low end, volume starts dropping off below 51Hz. "Frequency range -6dB at 36Hz", means from 51Hz down to 36Hz, the volume is dropping at a rate that hits -6dB at 36Hz. It is enough to notice that the low end of music/TV/movies does not have strong bass.
> On the high end, volume starts dropping off above 36kHz. "Frequency range -6dB at 42kHz", means from 36kHz to 42kHz, the volume is dropping at a rate that hits -6dB at 42kHz. Who cares? If the best of us can't hear above 20kHz, who cares if your speaker starts having trouble at 36kHz?

Your second speaker says: "Frequency Reponses-45Hz-24KHz +/-3dB/useable bass to 40Hz (f6)"
Use the same logic as above. Below 45Hz, the volume starts dropping at a rate that hits -6dB at 40Hz. They don't say what happens above 24kHz... I guess because it doesn't matter.

Hopefully this helps you understand a little about how to read the specs. But you still have to decide for yourself which is "better".
Within the +/- 3dB area, (which is standard for saying "This is the area within which you can't hear any difference"), speaker B goes a little deeper, (45 vs 51Hz). However, you CAN still hear something that is 6dB softer, it's just softer. And speaker A goes a little deeper in the -6dB point, (36 vs 40Hz).

Summary:
1) Try to listen to them both and decide which you like better. There is A LOT more to how good a speaker sounds than just frequency response.
2) You need a subwoofer regardless of which speakers you chose.
 
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crossedover

Audioholic Chief
Also note that manufacturer published specs are more relevant when confirmed by a third party
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
You might want to identify the speakers in question.
 
Speedskater

Speedskater

Audioholic General
Comparing specs from different providers is a total waste of time!
Even comparing real speaker measurements from Stereophile can be a challenge.

Sean Olive at Harman has some interesting blogs on measuring loud speakers.
Audio Musings by Sean Olive: December 2013
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Also note that manufacturer published specs are more relevant when confirmed by a third party
+1.

It depends on the speaker company. Some companies publish spec that are closer to 3rd party than other companies.

Also knowing the size of the speaker cabinet, ported or sealed, and size of the woofer helps.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
If the Frequency Response between two speakers mention these figures

For the first one it says : Frequency Response-51Hz – 36kHz ±3dB on reference axis (Frequency range -6dB at 36Hz and 42kHz )

And for the second one it says : Frequency Reponses-45Hz-24KHz +/-3dB/useable bass to 40Hz (f6)

What is it supposed to mean ?

Which one would have better output going by those figures ? How does one interpret it ?

Thanks
Based on those numbers alone, I would interpret the second speaker to have better bass because it has a lower F3 (-3dB) of 45Hz. I don't care much for F6 (-6dB) or F10(-10dB).
 
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Ampdog

Audioholic
Augustya,

The figures have been explained. The quick answer would be that it will not matter in practice because the real response will be totally masked/determined by the environment, particularly for bass. Even all things being the same, the few Hz difference at l.f. will hardly have an audible effect. Further, differences in the response in between, i.e. over the audio band, will contribute far more to your enjoyment. (Then there is the impedance variation with frequency - but not to get too technical.)

So don't pain yourself over those specs. Here the determining factor is the hearing experience, under the same conditions for both - and the practical but wise conclusion that that will probably be different at your home anyway! Do enjoy!
 

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