Callibrating using radioshack SPL meter

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EricAH916

Audioholic Intern
So I just got my pb12plus dragged up the stairs and hooked up. It's sitting in the open at the moment (need to find room for it).

I`m trying to set it up using a radioshack analog spl meter. I`m not sure what volume do you start out at? And what do you set the seperate channel lvls they go from -12 to +12. Also should I just set the gain at around 10:30 then change the subwoofer level to get the desired db reading?

What I did was set the volume to 40 on the reciever and the gain on the sub to 11 the went through and got the DB to all between 70??Which is the middle of the meter?

Is there any good guides to getting this fine tuned?
 

Bill3508

Audiophyte
I set mine using the receivers test tones. Go into setup and go to level calibration, and using the meter set all the speakers to the same level. I run my sub about 3 db hot though.

Bill3508
 
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EricAH916

Audioholic Intern
Ya thats what I was using till I get one of those avia test cds. What volume do you set the reciever at when setting up the lvls? And does it actually matter?
 

Bill3508

Audiophyte
The test tones themselves are pretty loud. Most people calibrate to 75db's. You should not have to do much with the levels to match. I'm running an Onkyo 804 so it should be similar.

Bill3508
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
Ya thats what I was using till I get one of those avia test cds. What volume do you set the reciever at when setting up the lvls? And does it actually matter?
My favorite topic comes up AGAIN. :D But I'll try to be brief...

The number on the volume display you use as your 'reference' setting depends on which scale the receiver uses and I must assume that your receiver uses the absolute scale given that you used the number 40. But what is the max volume number (when the channel trims for each channel are initially all at zero?) If the range is 0 - 80, then 40 is way too low because you'll run out of room on the channel trims given that they only go up to +12.

You should first calibrate all of the other channels. Pick a number roughly 75-80% of the max range. Mine goes from 0 - 80 and I used 60. Set the dial at 60 and start the internal test tones or use the test tones from AVIA. If you use the internal test tones you want 75 dB on the meter; if you use AVIA you want 85 dB. Adjust the channel trims until you get that reading on the meter.

The subwoofer is tricky because you have multiple controls that all work together - the volume dial on the sub and the subwoofer level in the receiver. Generally you want to start with the sub volume about 1/3 of the way up. As for the other channels, you adjust the subwoofer level in the receiver until the meter reads your desired SPL. If you run out of room on the channel trims, turn the volume on the sub up slightly and go again.

Keep in mind that the RS SPL meter is off by ~2-3 dB in the low frequencies so if you calibrate the sub level to the same as the other channels, it will actually be 2-3 dB hotter than the other channels.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
There is a detailed guide on how to do this on page 8 of the PB12-Plus' owner's guide.
 
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EricAH916

Audioholic Intern
Ya I've read through the manual plenty of times. MDS answered my question perfect.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Is your sub still sitting out in the open or have you moved it to its final resting place? You probably should re-calibrate it in its permanent position.
 
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EricAH916

Audioholic Intern
Well I`m moving out pretty soon, so instead of moving everything to make room I just through it between the tv and front speakers.. Definately not the best spot but I don't really have anywhere else to stick it at the moment.
 
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nortynorty

Audiophyte
Receiver Volume Settings

MDS (or others as appropriate),
You mentioned that the number on the volume display you use as your 'reference' setting depends on which scale the receiver uses. My receiver has the Volume Range (Main) -70dB to +10.0dB. What setting would you suggest I use on my receiver prior to calibrating the trim level for my speakers?
Norty
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
MDS (or others as appropriate),
You mentioned that the number on the volume display you use as your 'reference' setting depends on which scale the receiver uses. My receiver has the Volume Range (Main) -70dB to +10.0dB. What setting would you suggest I use on my receiver prior to calibrating the trim level for my speakers?
Norty
Your manual might suggest a number. I like to use -15 on the rec'r and calibrate for 70 dB. That way 0 on my rec'r would be around 85 dB and that is some sort of standard for reference level. Also the 70 dB on the meter is easy to read as it is right in the middle of the scale and not as annoyingly loud as 80 dB to work with.

Oh, and welcome. :)
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Your manual might suggest a number. I like to use -15 on the rec'r and calibrate for 70 dB. That way 0 on my rec'r would be around 85 dB and that is some sort of standard for reference level. Also the 70 dB on the meter is easy to read as it is right in the middle of the scale and not as annoyingly loud as 80 dB to work with.

Oh, and welcome. :)
that would depend in your case, Alex, what the level of the signal is on the test disc or internally in a receiver.
A THX receiver as best I know would automatically take the master volume to the 0 mark and uses a -30dB FS signal to attain 75 db SPL.
theater calibration uses 85 dB spl but also uses a -20dB FS signal. So, in essence it is the same calibrated standard as it should be. One reason for the two test tone levels is that you would not like calibrating with such high signal levels at home. THX recognized this so the lower level.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
MDS (or others as appropriate),
You mentioned that the number on the volume display you use as your 'reference' setting depends on which scale the receiver uses. My receiver has the Volume Range (Main) -70dB to +10.0dB. What setting would you suggest I use on my receiver prior to calibrating the trim level for my speakers?
Norty
What is the receiver? Is it THX? Does the master volume automatically go to a number when you press the calibration button?

If it doesn't, use that 0 point as the internal signal will drive it to 75dB spl where you should calibrate and level match all channels at and to.
 
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nortynorty

Audiophyte
I am using an Outlaw 1070 which is not a THX receiver. I do not believe the receiver automatically goes to a specific volume setting when calibrating. I say that because when playing a test tone I can still adjust the volume using the remote or dial.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
MDS (or others as appropriate),
You mentioned that the number on the volume display you use as your 'reference' setting depends on which scale the receiver uses. My receiver has the Volume Range (Main) -70dB to +10.0dB. What setting would you suggest I use on my receiver prior to calibrating the trim level for my speakers?
Norty
If the receiver is not THX, which will automatically use 0, you can use any number you want although 0 is the convention when using the relative volume scale. The purpose of the relative scale is to make it easy to see how far below or above the reference you are at, so if zero is the reference, -10 shows directly that you are 10 dB below the reference you set.
 
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nortynorty

Audiophyte
Last week I installed new brackets for my front l&r speakers which allowed me flexibility in aiming them. As a result, I thought I should recalibrate the trim level. I played around with various volume settings including 0, but given that my receiver's main volume is -70db to +10db, a setting of zero was very lout resulting in the meter setting of 70 (or possibly even 80) resulted in trim levels of -10. That did not seem right to me so I set the volume at some other level to recalibrate.

I think I may not be understanding this enough to ask my question clearly or to fully understand the threads I have been reading.

If the volume range is -70 - +10, then the total range is 80. Would it not make sense to calibrate at say -30 or -20? I'm just guessing here.

I apologize in advance for my ignorance.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
I played around with various volume settings including 0, but given that my receiver's main volume is -70db to +10db, a setting of zero was very lout resulting in the meter setting of 70 (or possibly even 80) resulted in trim levels of -10.
Assuming you are using the receiver test tones (-30 dB) and seeking a target of 75 dB which would give you Dolby Reference Level when the digital audio level peaks, trim levels of -10 means that you have A LOT of room left on the volume dial. You've got 10 dB to gain from moving the channel trims to zero and another 10 dB from zero on the dial to +10 and that is quite a large range.

Are you suprised that reference level is very loud? :) I personally can't stand it for very long. I calibrate to that level to make it 'right' but I always listen at much lower levels.

If the volume range is -70 - +10, then the total range is 80. Would it not make sense to calibrate at say -30 or -20? I'm just guessing here.
You can use any number you want. It's just that zero would be the convention so that the dial indicates the level above or below reference. Considering that reference level could be considered the max level you'd ever want (although some gluttons for punishment will push it even louder), it's ok that you have to turn it up near the end of the volume range, although in your case you really aren't near the end.

Just to give an example that would relate to your thought of using -20 instead, my receiver only uses the absolute scale and goes from 0 to 80. I arbitrarily picked a point roughly 80% of the max (actually 60 instead of 64). The front three channel trims are at +6. In order for me to get the channel trims down into the negatives, I'd have to move the reference number on the dial much higher. Looked at another way, since the channel trims are in the pluses, the max number is no longer 80 - it is 74 (80 minus the +6) and thus in reality, my reference level is 66 not 60.

You can use -20 if you want and the only effect will be that you lose the ability to tell at a glance what the output SPL is. You will then be in the same boat as people like me using the absolute scale. You'll look at the dial and if it says -30, you have to calculate in your head: ok, my 'reference' was -20 and I'm at -30 now so I'm 10 dB below reference. But how many times do you really care to know that you are x dB below reference?

I think I may not be understanding this enough to ask my question clearly or to fully understand the threads I have been reading.
On the contrary, I think you do get it just fine. I hope I've helped to explain it a bit better. Really it's all just fun with numbers and offsets from a known base. After all a 'reference' is a just a known point from which all other points are relative - hence why the relative volume display is convenient.
 
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nortynorty

Audiophyte
Radio Shack has both a digital and analog meter. Digital-Display Sound-Level Meter, $49.99,Model: 33-2055, Catalog #: 33-2055. The analog I believe is a few dollars cheaper.
 
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