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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
so we are getting closer to the house being completed.
here are some pics. I cant wait to set up all my gear in it.

i checked with them yesterday and FIOS will not be in this area.
there is no comcast in this town either.

It is either charter (charter.com) or direct T.V.? which should i go with.
charter will do cable, internet and phone.
 

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Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
Given the choice between cable and satellite; I would go with satellite. I have Dish Network myself and will never go back to cable. Dish has better picture quality, more HD, better hardware, and a much better DVR. I have not used Charter (don't have that here) but I have a lot of experience with Comcast and I am not impressed with them.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
so we are getting closer to the house being completed.
here are some pics. I cant wait to set up all my gear in it.

i checked with them yesterday and FIOS will not be in this area.
there is no comcast in this town either.

It is either charter (charter.com) or direct T.V.? which should i go with.
charter will do cable, internet and phone.
I would pre-wire for either possibility, city cable to the house with a box and internal distribution to wherever you may think you want it beyond the immediate needs; future/present kids, HT, everywhere:D
Then, wire from a satellite antenna to that junction box so you can just swap either eventuality. Pre-wiring is cheap, remodeling to rewire is very expensive.:D May want to consider optical cable as well, its cost to prewire and how long you think you will live there.
Do the same for your TV and audio plans too; over plan.
 
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10010011

Senior Audioholic
If I was building, every room would have two coax, phone, and Ethernet (larger rooms might even have two sets) all brought to one central location, regardless of what services are currently available.
 
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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
every room has coaxial, including the office and great room. internet will be in the office and then networked wireless.
not to much crazy home theater wiring going on except for surrounds being wired at $100 per wire.

what are thoughts on direct tv?
 
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10010011

Senior Audioholic
internet will be in the office and then networked wireless.
what are thoughts on direct tv?
You are far better off going wired Ethernet. It is faster, more secure and easy to do now before the wall are done. Covering a home that large with wireless may be spotty at best.

My brother thought the same thing and did not take my advice when he built. Now he has this ugly range extender antenna mounted in his main hallway just to get a connection in his upstairs bedrooms. Still can not get reliable connection everywhere in the house.

I liked Direct TV back when I had them. The picture quality was better than digital cable. I jumped ship years ago when I got my first HDTV and cable offered my local channels in HD, Direct TV still does not. (Too far away for OTA) Now we have a Tivo-HD and it does not work wth Satellite
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
You obviously have a very unique opportunity to wire you home the way you want to right now. This should not be taken lightly if you are serious about your audio and video in your life.

If you ran ONE coax to each room, then you may have issues because most HD DVRs require two pieces of coax from the satellite companies.

If you ran all the coax outside, and you plan on more than a couple of boxes you may have issues because of the requirements of satellite feeds to be properly split to boxes.

If you haven't closely examined the possibility of running full cabling, now is the time to dig in hard on it...

CAT-5 to every room - minimum - it costs 50 bucks a box and just a couple of boxes will do the entire house! One piece for networking, one for phone.

Dual coax to every room - cable/satellite

Think about having four pieces of cat-5 to every room. Overkill? At 50 bucks a box it hardly is! You often want networking and/or phone at the TV location as well as in the 'room'.

CONDUIT! If you have a central A/V closet/distribution point, then why not run conduit from that point to key areas?

Whole house audio: It pretty much describes itself, but for around $1,000 in cabling, you can wire EVERY room of your home to have a volume control and in ceiling speakers. Add the speakers and hardware later if you must, but run the wires now... Oh, and throw in a piece of CAT-5 to every volume control location so you can add IR repeaters, or advanced wall pads later on.

I can't emphasize this enough... You get one chance really to work on an open framed home and the wiring is by far the cheapest thing you will have. I dropped about $3,000 on my home for wiring I paid for, and then I also 'snuck in' and ran about 2,000 feet more in cabling. Do not miss this opportunity to really think about not just what you want for the first week in your home, but for the next 30 years.
 
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m_vanmeter

Full Audioholic
on the topic of conduit, a "future proofing" idea is to run a 3" or larger conduit from the basement (if you have one and that's were all your wiring terminates) to the attic space. Reason ? if you ever want to add wiring to the 2nd floor, you have easy access to the attic where wiring can be run to room walls and down the wall with little effort.

In a typical 2 story w/basement house, you can get to the 1st floor walls from the basement, but only to the 2nd floor walls from the attic.

just a thought....
 
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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
i know you will all say put in the cat 5 etc etc, however my priority is getting a house. each wire i add is $100 and i know many will say it will be worth it but i am just wiring the surrounds in wall and that is it.
coax for cable in each room, however i have never had direct tv. if i get direct tv and they put the satellite on my roof how does the satellite connect to the direct tv receiver? (what type of wire gets run into the house and do they have to drill into my house?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
i know you will all say put in the cat 5 etc etc, however my priority is getting a house. each wire i add is $100 and i know many will say it will be worth it but i am just wiring the surrounds in wall and that is it.
coax for cable in each room, however i have never had direct tv. if i get direct tv and they put the satellite on my roof how does the satellite connect to the direct tv receiver? (what type of wire gets run into the house and do they have to drill into my house?
Can you do any of this work yourself? That might save some $$$
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
i know you will all say put in the cat 5 etc etc, however my priority is getting a house. each wire i add is $100 and i know many will say it will be worth it but i am just wiring the surrounds in wall and that is it.
coax for cable in each room, however i have never had direct tv. if i get direct tv and they put the satellite on my roof how does the satellite connect to the direct tv receiver? (what type of wire gets run into the house and do they have to drill into my house?
There are multiple wires that run from the satellite dish to the house. Typically I would recommend that you pick a 'central' location in your home from which to distribute your audio, video, phone, and ethernet wiring. I'm not talking about a 2' x 3' box on the wall, I'm talking about a small room which you can actually give the gear a bit of space and have room to grow.

If you can't get the wiring done now, then, as mentioned, run some conduit. At $100 for ONE piece of conduit, then you can run all of your phone, cable, and ethernet later on. Pick 10 rooms, run one piece of conduit to each (1" minimum!) and for $1,000 you get your home setup so you can put 2, 4, or 10 wires to each room as YOU want to. It may sound kind of weird, but it really does open up your possibilities as the single wire run is something they are gouging you on. A good wire technician can run 2 pieces of CAT-5 and 2 pieces of coaxial cable to any single room in under an hour rather easily. I ran about 50 wires in my home in about 10 hours. A single day! That's $5,000 I would have paid (I paid less) to your builder! But, I only really wired 12 rooms and I could have even avoided wiring a few rooms because I ran conduit from basement to attic (two 2" pieces). Really, if you plan things carefully, but quickly, you can get conduit yourself and have them install it. DEMAND IT! Your home, your rules, and you are paying them to do it, but you want that future proofing that only conduit can offer.

Back to your question, a single piece of coaxial cable can feed a single tuner satellite box, but DVR satellite boxes require two pieces of coax because they have two tuners inside and one piece of coax feeds each tuner. From outside, depending on how many satellite receivers you have in the house you may have as many as four (or more?) pieces that need to go from the dish to inside your home. So, if you just run some conduit to your central location to the outside entry point to your home, you can add as many pieces of coaxial cable (typically RG-6 quad shield) that you need to.

Really - you can add 1,000 feet of coax, 1,000 feet of cat-5 and some speakers to each room (1,000 feet) for about $300 in cable you buy online! All you have to do is avoid the insane 'per cable' costs they try to rack you with and get some conduit in place to really give yourself 'future proof'.

http://www.homenetworksinc.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RGC-001
http://www.smarthome.com

About halfway down is a good read on the subject...
http://www.jeffbollinger.net/?cat=25

Also, I can't say this enough: TAKE PHOTOS! Go through your home methodically and take photos of the walls before insulation goes in! You literally can't take enough photos and you need to take pictures of everything that you can in a room. The ceilings are especially important as you may find yourself wanting to add recessed lighting at some point (which is also a great way to add some extra wiring in a room.

Simply put, this is a very unique time, and I realize that the home itself is a huge expense, but you actually CAN add the granite countertops after you move in. You can't run these wires at any other point of the process without a great deal of expense.

If it costs $3,000 for a granite countertop upgrade, you likely could do it later for the same $3,000. If it costs $3,000 for a bunch of wiring and conduit runs, it would cost (not joking) upwards of $10,000 later, not including the expense of drywall repair and painting.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
Back to your question, a single piece of coaxial cable can feed a single tuner satellite box, but DVR satellite boxes require two pieces of coax because they have two tuners inside and one piece of coax feeds each tuner.
That is not the case with any recent satellite installations I have worked with for both DirecTV and Dish. There is only one line running to each of my DVRs with a separator at the box. All of the installations I've worked on for customers have been the same.
 
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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
Can you do any of this work yourself? That might save some $$$
nope i already checked, i wanted to run it myself but builders wont allow it. everything needs to be to code and its a liability for them.
 
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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
Simply put, this is a very unique time, and I realize that the home itself is a huge expense, but you actually CAN add the granite countertops after you move in. You can't run these wires at any other point of the process without a great deal of expense.

If it costs $3,000 for a granite countertop upgrade, you likely could do it later for the same $3,000. If it costs $3,000 for a bunch of wiring and conduit runs, it would cost (not joking) upwards of $10,000 later, not including the expense of drywall repair and painting.
yep i can see my wifes face after i explain this one to her, thanks for the reply.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
nope i already checked, i wanted to run it myself but builders wont allow it. everything needs to be to code and its a liability for them.
Then, maybe it is cheaper to ask him to run conduits of a good diameter to everywhere from a central box or closet where you have cable TV coming in, etc. Then you can pull any wire you want afterwards.
Is this home that you contracted a builder to do or a house that he is building and you just happen to come along and buy? If you are the person contracting, modify the contract?
I built mine and not hard to get up to code on those cable TV audio wires. Just a bogus excuse for him. Do a waiver for those wiring:D
I just wish I'd know all my needs back in 1991. No one was suggesting Cat5 to me, etc.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
That is not the case with any recent satellite installations I have worked with for both DirecTV and Dish. There is only one line running to each of my DVRs with a separator at the box. All of the installations I've worked on for customers have been the same.
I'm not sure that I'm right on this, but in the past dual tuner satellite receivers required two feeds from the satellite, and larger installs required a multi-switch...

http://www.highdefinitionblog.com/?page_id=19
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
yep i can see my wifes face after i explain this one to her, thanks for the reply.
:D

I sense a bit of sarcasm here, but the point is the same no matter what. You can choose to skimp on something now that can be upgraded later for nearly the same amount, or you can go cheap on wiring now and spend 3+ times the cost later, or worse, never make those upgrades because you didn't want to.

That said, this is all for your home. I know when it came time for my unique opportunity I dropped several grand to get it done completely. If I were to do it again, I would run less cabling and more conduit.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
I'm not sure that I'm right on this, but in the past dual tuner satellite receivers required two feeds from the satellite, and larger installs required a multi-switch...
The Dish DP+ system only needs one line per receiver. I believe they also have a new type of multiswitch that also allows one line per receiver. I think DirecTV has something similar.
 
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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
Then, maybe it is cheaper to ask him to run conduits of a good diameter to everywhere from a central box or closet where you have cable TV coming in, etc. Then you can pull any wire you want afterwards.
Is this home that you contracted a builder to do or a house that he is building and you just happen to come along and buy? If you are the person contracting, modify the contract?
I built mine and not hard to get up to code on those cable TV audio wires. Just a bogus excuse for him. Do a waiver for those wiring:D
I just wish I'd know all my needs back in 1991. No one was suggesting Cat5 to me, etc.
we hired the builder to build the house. they have 7 different homes they build so we cant modify the floor plan in it. there is no construction loan as we put down 10% then just take out an end loan when we close. the bad news is once the foundation went in the contract cant be changed, we cant even change the color of the house once the ground is broken.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
we hired the builder to build the house. they have 7 different homes they build so we cant modify the floor plan in it. there is no construction loan as we put down 10% then just take out an end loan when we close. the bad news is once the foundation went in the contract cant be changed, we cant even change the color of the house once the ground is broken.
We had the same deal - they get to many change requests and then lock things down so nobody can request anything.

Give DirecTV a call, make sure that a single coaxial cable run is all you need with current receivers to allow for dual tuners. I personally use cable and have actually been very happy with it. But, you may find more HD choices with satellite and a bit better service. It really goes both ways and lots of people have their own preference for cable/sat.
 

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