buy yamaha rxv650 or pioneer vsx1014txk?

[scarecrow]

For the price or lower is there anything better than these? Also which one should I buy between these two. Which is better? thanks.

 

[scarecrow]

well it seems like future shp had a sale for the 650 for $550 cdn but I missed it, shows how low they can go if they want/have to, I'll wait and maybe try to get a good one when the new ones come out. I'm totally frustrated and baffled by the reciever quest I've been on for months now.

 

[scarecrow]

I'm going to get the yam, cleaner , probly more better built. Let you know how it does.

 

[scarecrow]

I got the yam, never had a good reciever before, the pioneer is probably quite the same. Just need to do a couple things and then it'll be properly set. Recommend it for the money it's worth it for all the features, mighta got an amp but I'm not allowed to play music quite loud and I don't really need to, heard it's got power but I'm not testing it these things are meant to be used properly, just like you don't test an engine at full speed too much, just wish they all had circut breakers that did a proper job, so if we make a mistake we don't have to have nothing left, how about if you built a car that if you ever touched redline the car would break in two and you'd have to spend lots to fix it. Whatever, I don't care too much and they are very durable more than shoes anyways, actually maybe not certain shoes. Anyways, I have like this reciever manual to read and i feel like I'm looking at a fighter jet manual and now I know how mom felt about the vcr. Hi Mom! bye for now.

 

[skinnychicken]

I'm not sure what to make of your last post. But these two recievers are exactly the ones I'm trying to choose between. I see you've chosen the Yamaha, and I'm also leaning towards that one. For some reason, I trust the durability and quality of it more.

 

[scarecrow]

I'm really happy with it, listening to the clarity and distinguishing sounds makes me wonder how I could have considered what my old sony (a 1985 one) played as music, just listening to the bass is so perfect compared to the sony, I couldn't even get these kind of notes, anyways, like night and day diff. I read a lot of peoples posts on brands and models and it seems like the yamaha's got the top honours overall, it's got multi chnl input and pre-outs so you could upgrade also, I just realized that. I think other models like denon har kar etc might be good too, I don't know enough about them because this is my first rcvr. Heard pioneers are very powerful and it may be worth it to listen, I don't know enough to really judge too much. Heard that prtclr yam and pioneer are close. Good luck.

 

[S.R. Johnson]

scarecrow i am glad that you got the yamaha. the pioneer is an awesome receiver and I a, going to replace my Yamaha RX-V440 with the Pioneer 1014tx-k myself.

 

[MasterChief]

The Pioneer is an awesome reciever i fell in love with it lol and i got it for like 400 i think i cant remember it was cheap tho. Ive never owned a yammie but i heard it was bright is it ? the pioneer so they say is warmer which i like

 

[scarecrow]

I heard the pioneer is really powerful and dynamic. Can you answer me the difference between warm and bright, I've read a lot about that but I forget the difference, but I've heard that a lot about yamaha that they're bright. I really couldn't find the pioneer near so I just got the yamaha. I know I could have got it at certain stores but probably for too much, I live in toronto and The main 2 aud vid shops don't have the 1014txk, one of them has 2 lesser models I think it's 514 and 814. You've got me wondering now about this...The yamaha might have cleaner sound, less distortion, amp upgrade capblty, 7 speaker capability, multi room/zone 2 capability, ypao, etc, the pioneer might not be able to totally match all those but close enough and may have the better music and dynamic sound...I don't really know I'm really just a beginner still. Can you let me know what is this bright sound and warm sound please, I used to know but I forgot, there's a couple more types aren't there bright,warm,....,..... thanks

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Not to be rude, but I think a lot of newbies here could learn quite a bit from the Audioholics home page. First and foremost, "Frequenty asked questions." You are not seeing a lot of responses from older members because this is very basic A/V knowledge. Everyone started out where you did. Take 45 minutes and read this section. Great stuff.

http://www.audioholics.com/FAQs/index.php

 

[MasterChief]

I heard the pioneer is really powerful and dynamic. Can you answer me the difference between warm and bright, I've read a lot about that but I forget the difference, but I've heard that a lot about yamaha that they're bright. I really couldn't find the pioneer near so I just got the yamaha. I know I could have got it at certain stores but probably for too much, I live in toronto and The main 2 aud vid shops don't have the 1014txk, one of them has 2 lesser models I think it's 514 and 814. You've got me wondering now about this...The yamaha might have cleaner sound, less distortion, amp upgrade capblty, 11 speaker capability, multi room/zone 2 capability, ypao, etc, the pioneer might not be able to totally match all those but close enough and may have the better music and dynamic sound...I don't really know I'm really just a beginner still. Can you let me know what is this bright sound and warm sound please, oh I used to know but I forgot, there's a couple more types aren't there bright,warm,....,..... thanks

Lol I live in Toronto! You can get it at bestbuy so easily i ordered it online got it cheaper tho. In my opinion pioneer could match and beat the Yamaha. The Yamaha is 95 W x 7 (20HZ - 20 kHz @ 8 ohm, 0.06% THD) and the pioneer is 110 W x 7 (20HZ - 20 kHz @ 8 ohm, 0.09% THD) maybe be a lil cleaner but the pioneer could be more detailed at same volume since it has more wattage.
It has Mcacc which i think is easier and more accurate than ypao. It also has multi room but u suffer not having 7.1 at the same time. The yammie may have it beat in the DSP's But OMg i hate dsp's. The pioneer does have pre outs for upgradeability. The receiver is THX select certified. Also just look at the weight the yammie is 27.8 lbs and the pioneer is 34lbs. It has a better power supply bigger capcitors

 

[scarecrow]

Now I'm thinking return the yammie for a pioneer. Now I'm really baffled and confused and don't know what to think. When the 1014txk came out I thought this is the one for me, then I realized the rxv650 was as powerful as a 750. Then I couldn't compare it's specs to a 1014txk because pioneer doesn't have them on it's site right now and I don't know where else to find them. Then I saw a 650 on sale and just grabbed it knowing it was a good deal and I could just take it back to the store if defective. I don't have a credit card too so I can't get it on line. Do you think I should try and get the pioneer...I'm thinking it's better too now, I mean it probably matches and beats the yamaha, they're still close though. I should have had a closer look, but maybe I got a good deal on the yammy and should just hold on to it but you guys seem to be moving to pioneer, maybe I should too?!? Any suggestions?

 

[chas_w]

I'm not offering advice either way since I've never tried the Yamaha, but if you're looking for the 1014 webpage for specs it's at:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4153_130866598,00.html

 

[MasterChief]

Yes indeed those are the specs but for some reason they have the wrong weight the receiver wieghs 34Lbs, even in the manual it says so.The thing is massaive. Maybe they say its 19Lbs beacuse the Pionner Elite 52Tx weighs 34.2LBs also so they mask it but alot of people have realized lol there almost identical!! and the 1014 is cheaper.

 

[scarecrow]

You know what...I like the pioneer too...I like all of them...as long as they work and perform well.

 

[MasterChief]

Well yea as long as they work i guess but also its on ur preference they sound a lil different(the recievers).lol the white vans i know a couple of people that bought them but they dont care and still use them.LOL ive even seen them kill them with like 150 or 200 watts into each channel lol there still alive too. I think i might even have a pair a cousin or uncle bought them like 10 years ago there some were in the garage maybe. hmm

 

[scarecrow]

I wasn't trying to knock anything...actually I have no idea what the speakers out of the white vans were/are therefore I shouldn't have made that comment...anyways, I edited it. Anybody know where to find a white van?!? Enjoy the music and movies!

 

[MasterChief]

LOL well there basically not so great speakers , that people try to scam you for. http://www.scamshield.com/Feature.asp?id=1 thats a site that helps people with these.

 

[Reorx]

So Scarecrow...
whats the final verdict? Are you going to return the rxv650 and try the Pioneer? Maybe you should buy both, and do a side by side comparison in your house/apartment and see which sounds better with your speakers. Then return the one you don't like.

VSX-1014TX-K or rxv650

Reorx

 

[scarecrow]

I think I'd like to go with the pioneer, it weighs as much as a rxv2500 and the power figures are similar to that of an rxv1500. Between the two I see the pioneer as better for movies and music due to it's huge amps. What I'd like to do seeing as how I can't buy credit card and am forced to choose yamaha because the big chains don't carry that make of pioneer is try to beef up to a yamaha htr5790, which is more of a match to the pioneer. It weighs 15.5kg and has 110w 20-20000htz at .04thd. Very similar to the pioneer's figures. I'd say the pioneer has the 650 beat and is more likely to be compared to the htr5790 I'm going to try and get either the pioneer or the htr5790, where's that warranty? Anyways I'll let you guys know if I suceed. I could settle for the rxv650 but I like the bigger power sources, especially for 7.1, it's got to stress a smaller amp like the 650 a lot more than those others mentioned. Another idea is to upgrade with exterrnal amps, I'll either try to change it or upgrade later with external amps.