Building around new Emotiva XDA-2...need advice on preamp, EQ, multiple zones

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bushido

Junior Audioholic
Hello all,

On the advice of the group, I bought the Emotiva XDA-2 DAC/preamp largely to play my ipod classic and CD player for stereo music, not as a home theater setup.

The Emotiva seems well made, easy to set up, but with a couple of minor issues: I wish it had a volume knob, vs up/down buttons, though the MUTE button can kill the sound to answer phone, etc.

The second issue is that there is no RCA connection as an input; but, after speaking with a great Emotiva customer-service rep, I now recognize that all of the connections are coming from digital sources.....duhhhh. The thing is, I had been using the headphone out from my ipod which split into 2 L/R RCA connections...until now...

Without a dock, or a means of hard-wiring the ipod to the DAC (this may change, and was directed to the Pure I 20 dock Amazon.com: Pure i-20 30-Pin iPod/iPhone Speaker Dock: Electronics by the Emotiva guy...it has optical/toslink connections), I have employed a Bluetooth receiver that, to expedite this process, I bought at Radio Shack today. It connected well, and has apt-x and NFC processes, and, to my ear, sounds remarkable...though something is telling me I might get better SQ being wired vs unwired.

The great thing about the Bluetooth setup is that the ipod, in hand, serves like a remote control for music selection....songs, artists, playlists etc, and to my astonishment, can be operated from any room in my small, 2-story home without any disconnect!!

Here's the concerns: While the DAC is great, the Emotiva's role as a preamp is limited...no control of bass/treble, and no ability to directly control multiple zones. I eventually want to run up to 6 zones using separate amps. However, the output on the Emotiva has one set of L/R RCA's and/or XLR's...I am using the RCA's for now.

In reading, it seems clear I should use a preamp...perhaps a multi-zone preamp, and have noticed they seem to be either low end, or very high end with names with which I am unfamiliar. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

In the event I am able to find a multizone preamp, and can incorporate an EQ, how would they be connected? ipod>>DAC>>preamp>>eq>>amp>>speakers?

I'm looking at some matching, used, Crown amps...but that has yet to be decided...connecting using the XLR's might be problematic.

My speakers are 70's era Epicures 4: M202's and 2 400's which love juice.

Lastly, would it be possible to forget this complication, and simply find a reasonably priced receiver that is a DAC/preamp/amp/EQ/multizone/Bluetooth all-in-one?

Many thanks!
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
I'm voting on a receiver that does multi-zone and also multi-sources. You didn't state a budget how ever.
 
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bikemig

Audioholic Chief
If you have speakers that are hard to drive, get an aV receiver that has all the functionality you want and pre-outs. Then you can add an emo amplifer if need be. Accessories4less has excellent prices on refurbished AV receivers. You probably are still within the 30 day window to return the emo dac.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
I have employed a Bluetooth receiver that, to expedite this process, I bought at Radio Shack today. It connected well, and has apt-x and NFC processes, and, to my ear, sounds remarkable...though something is telling me I might get better SQ being wired vs unwired.

The great thing about the Bluetooth setup is that the ipod, in hand, serves like a remote control for music selection....songs, artists, playlists etc, and to my astonishment, can be operated from any room in my small, 2-story home without any disconnect!
Nice thing about wireless is it can be high data rate and you have eliminated resistance/capacitance/impedance of cables. If you are into being a cable purist this has to be the best thing to ever come along with WISA.
 
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bushido

Junior Audioholic
Thanks for thoughts on this.

"The more you know, the more you know you don't know."

The emo displays 44.1khz (?) as it is playing music from the ipod. In reading on line, I've come across info that the ipod's own DAC (huh?, it has one too?) cannot reproduce a signal with higher bit rate/khz? Sooooo...the 24/192 that the emo allegedly delivers cannot be provided by this machine when the ipod is the source? (the files in the ipod are 192++).

Bear with me here as I display my ignorance: Why would a person (ok, I) need a preamp in addition to the XDA-2 if not for the ability to control bass/treble or to have multiple zones, right? The DAC has a remote, and consequently (I assume) the only thing missing from a preamp inclusion into the setup would be the EQ function, which could be added rather reasonably by adding an EQ, no?
(Anyone know a good, used EQ?) How about these: Vector Research Graphic Equalizer Excellent | eBay
ADC Sound Shaper One Ten MKII Equalizer | eBay
Graphic Equalizer | eBay

I've looked in accessories4less an searched 'multizone" with 2 hits, both Denon's with 2 zones....not enough. What about something like this:

Audio Access PX 600 Multizone Pre Amp Controller | eBay
Niles A4 6CI Multizone Audio Preamplifier | eBay


Speaker distribution: Speaker Distribution Matrix Sysetm Selector Multi Zone | eBay
8 Channel Speaker Selector Multi Zone Audio Home Surround Sound Control New | eBay

Sonance Monster amp with issues: Sonance Sonamp 1250 12 Channel Power Amplifier Home Theater Multi Zone Etc | eBay

B & K multizone amp: B K Components AV1260 Multi Zone Amplifier | eBay

Xantech multizone preamp: Xantech ZPR68 10 Multizone Preamp 6 Zone 8 Source Audio Video Preamp Complete 042777310081 | eBay

All-in-one receivers:

Yamaha at budget price: Yamaha RX 497 Natural Sound Receiver with Multi Zone XM SACD Ready No Reserve 027108909394 | eBay

This is very similar to (395 vs 397) one that's on accessories4less @ $219. ebay price $69: Denon DRA 395 160 Watt Multizone Stereo Receiver Excellent Condition Guaranteed 81757504614 | eBay

So I can go 1) Speaker selector (seems awfully simple, almost too good to be true)

2) Multizone preamp (would then require separate amps $$$)

3) Multizone amp (the B & K and Sonance are very impressive, though I've never heard of either one)

4) All-in-one (full range of prices and options...the thing is I do NOT want surround or home theater...)

I'm about to call emotiva and find out why the DAC is processing at 44khz and not 192

Onward and upward
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
I get the feeling that you're look way past "something" cheap to connect ipod to pro-amp and probably best idea as already mentioned is A/V receiver
One Critical feature that you MUST look for is pre-out - without it you wont be able to use your nice crown amps

I recommend this one - it does it all including airplay (wireless digital streaming from apple devices)
MARANTZ SR5007 100w x7 NetworkingTheater Receiver w/AirPlay 3D 4K | Accessories4less


As for "only" 44 Mhz - did you tried to use ALAC format?

As for multizone - this goes beyond my area of expertise
 
crossedover

crossedover

Audioholic Chief
And remember multi source and multi zone = analog connections for the most part.
 
R!zz0

R!zz0

Audioholic Intern
Waking up an old thread here:

I'm pretty sure "technology has changed" Can i use google chromecast audio for multiple zones instead of Sonos?
 

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