Budget Bookshelfs: EPOS ELS 3 or Wharfedale Diamnond 9.1s?

JK_Livin22

JK_Livin22

Audioholic Intern
I am helping to put together a system for my parents and am looking for some budget bookshelf speakers to pair with a certified factory refurbished Marantz SR4001 that I bought them for Christmas (the surrounds btw are just some low end Klipsch satellites that came with a Samsung HTIB they purchased a few years ago). I am primarily looking for bookshelf speakers between $200-$300. The list I started with consisted of Monitor Audio's BR1s ($199) and BR2s ($279), Tannoy Mercury F1 Customs ($235), EPOS ELS 3 ($296), and Wharfedale 9.1s ($269). I am in a very rural area unfortunately, and do not have access to audition any of these speakers myself.

My Dad mostly listens to Classical music (I think he is especially fond of the piano), while my mom is a big fan of the 50's music (Elvis in particular, as well as Fats Domino, etc.) They also love to watch college basketball on their HD plasma TV and watch a movie about once a week or so. I would say that their system use is probably 55 to 60% music. With all of that in mind (especially the types of music they enjoy) I was hoping you could provide me with some comparative characteristics of these speakers.

From everything I've read, the BR2s would be ideal, except that they are really too large for the area. The speakers are going to be placed on a knee/thigh high entertainment stand, approx 4 feet apart on either side of the TV. I have basically narrowed it down to the BR1s the EPOS ELS 3s, and the Wharfedale Diamond 9.1s. I contacted Marantz and they said the SR4001 would have no problem driving a 4 ohm speaker. I have heard that sometimes 4 ohm speakers can sound muddy when paired with an amp that is not qualified for 4 ohms speakers. Do you have any thoughts on the EPOS (4 ohms) with this Marantz? I should also mention that at some point (probably will be next Christmas) we hope to add a fairly inexpensive sub to the system. But since this may be a year or better, I am wondering how much I should take into consideration each speaker’s low end (55Hz for the BR1s, 65Hz for the ELS3s, and 50Hz for the 9.1s).

Although they are pushing the upper limits for size, I am fond of the Wharfedales because of their build quality, the silk dome tweeters (which I feel would make them quite smooth), and the option for bi-wiring, as well as some really good reviews. Although a couple of comments have me just a little concerned that they may be too warm, or lacking detail or separation. What are your thoughts on that?

I am fond of the EPOS because of some rave reviews for them as well, not to mention all the good things that I have read about them on several forums. I guess my concern with them is if they will be adequate for HT use (weekly ball games and 2 or 3 movies a month) without adding a sub in the immediate future. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think these would not be smooth enough or be at all too bright given the types of music they will be listening to? Also, one reviewer stated that "speaker stands are a must", which gives me pause since they are NOT going to be on stands.

I have not found any reviews of the BR1s, but have read some impressive reviews about the BR2s (and even more impressive reviews about the SR6s, which I hope to purchase for myself in the next month or so).

I hope I haven’t asked you to repeat too much of what you stated in your earlier posts. I certainly appreciate any experience/knowledge you could share about these speakers especially as far as how suitable their characteristics are for the types of music I mentioned.

Ultimately I am hoping to get my parents to listen to and enjoy more music and therefore want to make sure that I get them a speaker with exceptional musicality (for a budget bookshelf) and to make sure that they are not too bright or in any way fatiguing.
At the moment I am leaning ever so slightly toward the Wharfedales.

Thanks in advance.


p.s. I thought I had already posted this here but could not find it so I apologize if it is posted twice.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I've run previous 4xxx and 5xxx series Marantz receivers with 4 Ohm speakers and while each did get hot, there were no immediate issues. I run 4 Ohm speakers on my 8300 but it doesn't like driving 5 of them when cranked up...offloading the main pair to my monoblocks solved that tough.

There won't be a considerable difference between 50Hz and 60Hz -3dB; what really matters is how they sound - if they have great bass but don't sound good, then it doesn't matter, right?. I have heard the 9.1s and I liked them, good overall; did not stand out as "wow". I have heard the BR1s also, a bit bright for my taste. I have not heard the ELS3 or Tannoys, though I am tempted to pick up a pair of ELS3s just to hear them.
 
JK_Livin22

JK_Livin22

Audioholic Intern
D'oh! It seems as though I spoke to hastily. The Wharfedales, are in fact about half an inch to large. So I guess that leaves me with the EPOS as the front runner. Although one reviewer stated "Also, speaker stands are a must." Is there a sound reason (haha! pun intended) they would they say that?

Another person commenting on the ELS 3s stated that "I listen to mostly jazz/classical and some 60's/70's rock and am very pleased with them. Paired with a good sub(s) however and they sound phenomenal (for the price)." but went on to also say "if you have a 'bright' room they can sound awful and very painful to listen to regardless."

Well what am I to make of that!????

Maybe I can somehow make the Wharfedales work after all. Ahhhrrgggg!!!

This can be such a frustrating process...

p.s. Again, does anyone have any input on the MA BR1s or the Tannoys?
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Stands a must likely means they are sensitive to placement and are not good with nearby surfaces (boundary effect). That sounds like a personal comment for sure, but it is likely a factor here since you seem to be saying they will go into some sort of shelf?

You might also consider the Ascend CBM-170SE. Not the most attractive, but they are small and sound very good. Not quite enough bass though. Another would be the NHT classic line - they are sealed so a little less critical of shelf placement.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
ELS-3 really come alive when properly placed. A little toe-in does wonders on the soundstage. Is the back of the shelf of the entertainment center open? Because you will have a problem with the ELS-3 as they are rear ported.
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
I listened to the Wharfedale 9.1 & EVO 10, Monitor Audio RS1 and a Mordaunt Short model I don't remember. Overall I like the 10's best. Warm detailed sound with a good amount of bass for a bookshelf. The RS1 was nice but seemed a bit more harsh than the 10's. I was coming from a set of Klipsch on walls and I was wanting something that was not as bright so I shied away from the RS1's. The RS1's also did not seem to have the low end that the 10's had. I liked the 9.1's but I liked the 10's better. More bass and they had a richer sound. Both are front ported so having them fairly close to the wall should be ok. I did not like the Mordaunt shorts. Their styling and just sounded bland to me. I could have been tired as they were the last set I listened to that day.

I ended up with the EVO 30 towers in the end. I had the room and there was nothing that I did not like about them. Great price, sounded great to me and the maple finish looks very nice.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
I have the BR2's and have heard the EPOS ELS. Both excellent speakers. I feel the Monitor Audio edges them out a little in the area of detail and smoothness. Probably "better" for classical music. However, the EPOS would probably sound great with Elvis. Tough call...
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
D'oh! It seems as though I spoke to hastily. The Wharfedales, are in fact about half an inch to large. So I guess that leaves me with the EPOS as the front runner. Although one reviewer stated "Also, speaker stands are a must." Is there a sound reason (haha! pun intended) they would they say that?

Another person commenting on the ELS 3s stated that "I listen to mostly jazz/classical and some 60's/70's rock and am very pleased with them. Paired with a good sub(s) however and they sound phenomenal (for the price)." but went on to also say "if you have a 'bright' room they can sound awful and very painful to listen to regardless."

Well what am I to make of that!????

Maybe I can somehow make the Wharfedales work after all. Ahhhrrgggg!!!

This can be such a frustrating process...

p.s. Again, does anyone have any input on the MA BR1s or the Tannoys?
That's too bad because STO is selling the 9.2 for $369 which is a steal.
http://www.tsto.com/cgi-bin/TSTO.storefront/4796bb0b0077095a2740ac10034105e2/Product/View/2768

Edit: Also how is the breakdown of the Wharfedale line anyway? Is the 9.2 their 2nd highest line? Is Opus their high end?
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
Edit: Also how is the breakdown of the Wharfedale line anyway? Is the 9.2 their 2nd highest line? Is Opus their high end?

The line is:

1: Opus
2: Evolution 2 Pacific
3: Diamond 9
4: Diamond 8
 
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